Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 28, 2024, 7:20 am

Thread Rating:
  • 2 Vote(s) - 1 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
#31
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
The OP is nonsense. That the universe is inherently filled with uncertainty does not make it impossible for people to believe otherwise.
Have you ever noticed all the drug commercials on TV lately?  Why is it the side effects never include penile enlargement or super powers?
Side effects may include super powers or enlarged penis which may become permanent with continued use.  Stop taking Killatol immediately and consult your doctor if you experience penis enlargement of more than 3 inches, laser vision, superhuman strength, invulnerability, the ability to explode heads with your mind or time travel.  Killatoll is not for everyone, especially those who already have convertibles or vehicles of ridiculous size to supplement penis size.
Reply
#32
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
@Asmodee

[Image: rxoiw9H.jpg]

(January 10, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Asmodee Wrote: The OP is nonsense.  That the universe is inherently filled with uncertainty does not make it impossible for people to believe otherwise.

It appears you have failed to reduce the initial passage.

International belief definition:

To accept as TRUE/ABSOLUTE.

Simply, we aren't omniscient of any event, thusly we can't regard any event as TRUE/TOTAL/ABSOLUTE.






@Ben

[Image: 56815224.jpg]

(January 10, 2017 at 8:06 am)Ben Davis Wrote:



/thread time. Anyone can accept anything as true (and often do!). The accepted thing doesn't even have to be real. Since it's a demonstrable fact that people accept things to be true, belief exists and your proposition can not stand. The rest of your post is ad-hoc rationalisation to cover your equivocation fallacy.

In the like, it appears you have failed to reduce the initial passage.

Simply, the target thing, shan't be measurable as 'true', due to the instance that humans (as far as science regards) cannot measure any scenario with absolute accuracy.

That is, we don't have access to 'truth' / absoluteness.

By extension, you fail to oppose non-beliefism's subsequent premise:


Reply
#33
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
(January 10, 2017 at 9:26 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: It appears you have failed to reduce the initial passage.

International belief definition:

To accept as TRUE/ABSOLUTE.

Simply, we aren't omniscient of any event, thusly we can't regard any event as TRUE/TOTAL/ABSOLUTE.

That is not the definition used by most philosophers or cognitive scientists.

The Stanford Encyclopedia (considered one of the best) defines it thus:

"Contemporary analytic philosophers of mind generally use the term “belief” to refer to the attitude we have, roughly, whenever we take something to be the case or regard it as true."

"Most contemporary philosophers characterize belief as a “propositional attitude”.

There is nothing about the need to be absolute about beliefs.

Belief is simply the psychological state in which one accepts a premise or proposition to be true.

I believe the proposition that my girlfriend loves me, but I do not believe with absolute certainty.

I believe that evolution is true, but my beliefs are provisional and not absolute, based on evidence.

As David Hume said: "A Wise man proportions his belief to the evidence."

In other words, it is possible to have beliefs held at various degrees of certainty.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Reply
#34
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
(January 10, 2017 at 9:57 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(January 10, 2017 at 9:26 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: It appears you have failed to reduce the initial passage.

International belief definition:

To accept as TRUE/ABSOLUTE.

Simply, we aren't omniscient of any event, thusly we can't regard any event as TRUE/TOTAL/ABSOLUTE.




In other words, it is possible to have beliefs held at various degrees of certainty.

[Image: P9OKdTN.jpg]

It appears you failed to reduce the initial passage.

In addition to google's initial result (to accept as true), I extracted that of the definitions from 38 definition websites, (including standford).

A largely frequent paradigm, 'truth' | true, is compounded in non-beliefism premise-1.

This had long been mentioned amidst the initial passage's sources.

[Image: vDbc7PW.png]

[Image: vb9mHtR.png]

Thusly, it is clear? that belief need not constitute certainty.
HOWEVER, belief is primarily truth bound, on the horizon of truth's PROFOUND presence betwixt belief, and it's synonyms.




%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Perhaps it is pertinent that you approach premise-ii.

There have been frequent failed attempts to disregard premise-i, however narrow attempts betwixt premise-ii:


Reply
#35
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
(January 10, 2017 at 10:09 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote:
(January 10, 2017 at 9:57 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:



In other words, it is possible to have beliefs held at various degrees of certainty.

[Image: P9OKdTN.jpg]

It appears you failed to reduce the initial passage.

In addition to google's initial result (to accept as true), I extracted that of the definitions from 38 definition websites, (including standford).

A largely frequent paradigm, 'truth' | true, is compounded in non-beliefism premise-1.

This had long been mentioned amidst the initial passage's sources.

[Image: vDbc7PW.png]

[Image: vb9mHtR.png]

Thusly, it is clear? that belief need not constitute certainty.
HOWEVER, belief is primarily truth bound, on the horizon of truth's PROFOUND presence betwixt belief, and it's synonyms.




%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Perhaps it is pertinent that you approach premise-ii.

There have been frequent failed attempts to disregard premise-i, however narrow attempts betwixt premise-ii:



I see the word 'true' and 'truth' in the various definitions, but none of them state anything about having ABSOLUTE certainty.

I have plenty of beliefs. None of them I believe with ABSOLUTE certainty.

All of them are open to become disbeliefs, if shown evidence to do so.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Reply
#36
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
(January 10, 2017 at 10:35 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: I see the word 'true' and 'truth' in the various definitions, but none of them state anything about having ABSOLUTE certainty.

I have plenty of beliefs. None of them I believe with ABSOLUTE certainty.

All of them are open to become disbeliefs, if shown evidence to do so.
[Image: rngJENc.png]
Reply
#37
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
Someone has far too much time on his hands, apparently.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
Reply
#38
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
(January 10, 2017 at 9:26 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: [Image: 56815224.jpg]
The Shiba Inu :The most irrational and frustrating pet known to dog lovers.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






Reply
#39
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
(January 10, 2017 at 10:48 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote:


Cherry-pick much?

You're entire premise is dependent on the attribute 'truth' being defined in it's most narrow context. You ignore the attribute 'acceptance' and the broader definitions of 'true' which are more appropriate in the context of belief. As has been stated many times, your requirement for certainty/absolutism is not necessary for a definition of belief and is about as far from a valid rebuttal of the existence of belief as you can get. You've conducted a poor analysis by failing to include all attributes of the entity and you have failed to recognise how to improve it in spite of advice from peer review.

As an aside, I assume you regularly describe/ascribe entities and attributes in your role as programming god. You should apply the same rigour to your philosophical considerations.
Sum ergo sum
Reply
#40
RE: ★★ We are all atheists/atheistic to ALL Gods (says simple science)
(January 10, 2017 at 9:26 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: @Asmodee

[Image: rxoiw9H.jpg]

(January 10, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Asmodee Wrote: The OP is nonsense.  That the universe is inherently filled with uncertainty does not make it impossible for people to believe otherwise.

It appears you have failed to reduce the initial passage.

International belief definition:

To accept as TRUE/ABSOLUTE.

Simply, we aren't omniscient of any event, thusly we can't regard any event as TRUE/TOTAL/ABSOLUTE.
What I was saying is quite simple.  I CAN regard any event as true, total or absolute.  I just might not be right.
Have you ever noticed all the drug commercials on TV lately?  Why is it the side effects never include penile enlargement or super powers?
Side effects may include super powers or enlarged penis which may become permanent with continued use.  Stop taking Killatol immediately and consult your doctor if you experience penis enlargement of more than 3 inches, laser vision, superhuman strength, invulnerability, the ability to explode heads with your mind or time travel.  Killatoll is not for everyone, especially those who already have convertibles or vehicles of ridiculous size to supplement penis size.
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Islam itself says Muhammad is a liar Woah0 41 3100 August 27, 2022 at 1:34 pm
Last Post: Eclectic
  "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" ignoramus 121 20517 March 5, 2021 at 6:42 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Big gods came after the rise of civilizations Foxaèr 24 2312 April 9, 2020 at 11:49 am
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence Otangelo 84 10499 January 14, 2020 at 5:59 pm
Last Post: Abaddon_ire
Thumbs Up Taoism Says That Everything Has an Opposite Philos_Tone 37 4400 November 20, 2018 at 8:35 am
Last Post: Angrboda
  Religion: Simple Lies for Simple People Minimalist 3 524 September 16, 2018 at 12:18 pm
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Always Proof Your Yeast! Fuck Proof of Gods! chimp3 12 1957 September 9, 2018 at 3:46 pm
Last Post: Ravenshire
  Satirical logic for the atheistic mind Drich 158 17893 June 13, 2018 at 9:22 pm
Last Post: Amarok
  Personal experience says religious folks are more prone to mental diseases ErGingerbreadMandude 20 7731 August 9, 2017 at 11:11 am
Last Post: Astonished
  If there are no gods, doesn't making one's self a god make one a theist? Foxaèr 13 3580 May 26, 2017 at 5:28 pm
Last Post: TheoneandonlytrueGod



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)