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Is God Perfact? How?
#41
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
I'm saying that if something designed humans, it is shit. If something designed our environment, then it is shit.

If it's some floaty little special angel of whatever-ness, I'll call it shit anyway. If it's some nameless force causing people to rape people because of things they did when they were someone else, I'll call it shit also.

I wouldn't take it too seriously.
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#42
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
(January 8, 2017 at 12:32 pm)robvalue Wrote: I'm saying that if something designed humans, it is shit. If something designed our environment, then it is shit.

If it's some floaty little special angel of whatever-ness, I'll call it shit anyway. If it's some nameless force causing people to rape people because of things they did when they were someone else, I'll call it shit also.

I wouldn't take it too seriously.


It seems that you are not very happy with what we humans got Rob.
We got the law of action and reaction, we got the positive and negative we got the gravity law and so on.
These laws are design to keep the universe going and going and at the same time they give us the possibility to improve.
The karma law follow the same logic but atheists think that is at odd with all the rest.
Only when atheists and all the rest will understand that the karma is not at odd with all other universal laws then we will have a better world but it is a question of wake up and grow up.  Lightbulb
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#43
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
You want me to grow up and accept that there's some magical record-keeping force transferring souls from one body to another, for which there is no evidence whatsoever?

I don't see how people accepting this leads to a better world. Most people can be decent without needing post-life promises or threats.

Well done, you've managed to derail yet another thread into your personal woo. I clearly wasn't even talking about it.
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#44
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
Hmmm! Godschild's perfect god is different than lil rik's perfect god. How can that be?
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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#45
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
They can't even agree on the basics of what it is, while claiming to know all about it. It is indeed suspicious.
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#46
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
I forgot which moronic idea addressed how someone claimed that going only by the bible to know of god is a bad way to do it...man, I never even heard this kind of stupidity on youtube.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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#47
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
This is an interesting concept people don't talk about enough.  "Perfect" is obviously very subjective.  I saw yet another bullshit logical argument recently which talked about a "maximally great being".  That is a being which is the greatest great possible in every imaginable way.  But the exact nature of these "greatnesses" are surprisingly not forthcoming.  Great in what way?  Every possible way, obviously.  So the greatest possible good?  Yes.  The greatest possible evil?  No because evil isn't great because I say it's not.

Perfection is a mere concept.  That's why it's attributed to God, also a mere concept.  You don't have to list the attributes of perfection because you can't.  If you come up with something which you consider "perfect" someone's bound to come along and make it better.  Or at the very least tell you that's not how they like it, so it's not perfect to them.

This is actually the norm for humans.  We like to think imaginary things are "advanced" or even "perfect", even when the evidence tells us otherwise.  Crop circles are an advanced alien species trying to communicate with us!  Why don't the use a radio?  Well...um...you see, the radio package costs quite a bit extra in your standard luxury space ship, and in this economy who can afford that?  But it does come standard with the crop-flattening ray!  Unfortunately it only comes with the Wing Dings font.  Nothing says, "We come in peace to fix all your problems" better than "Ha!  I just destroyed your food supply!"

So it's not just God we give these attributes to.  It's whatever "good thing" we want to believe in.  They are always "better than us" in some mysterious, often vaguely defined way.  We do the same thing with evil.  The devil is scary mostly because you don't know what he's capable of, or what he wants, exactly.  And we don't know what the aliens want when they're impregnating us with lizard hybrid children, just that it brings up visions of rape and child abduction.  And ghosts.  Maybe they're really good, there's a pleasant smell or feeling when they're in the room and they'll sit by your bedside when you're sick.  Or maybe they're not good, they'll make random things fall over and you can "feel them" trying to posses you for some evil, unknown purpose.  And you don't ask too many questions or the mystery fades.  It's a very primal, dare I say childish way of thinking.
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#48
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
(January 9, 2017 at 4:29 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(January 8, 2017 at 12:32 pm)robvalue Wrote: I'm saying that if something designed humans, it is shit. If something designed our environment, then it is shit.

If it's some floaty little special angel of whatever-ness, I'll call it shit anyway. If it's some nameless force causing people to rape people because of things they did when they were someone else, I'll call it shit also.

I wouldn't take it too seriously.


It seems that you are not very happy with what we humans got Rob.
We got the law of action and reaction, we got the positive and negative we got the gravity law and so on.
These laws are design to keep the universe going and going and at the same time they give us the possibility to improve.
The karma law follow the same logic but atheists think that is at odd with all the rest.
Only when atheists and all the rest will understand that the karma is not at odd with all other universal laws then we will have a better world but it is a question of wake up and grow up.  Lightbulb
There is no justice in punishing people for things they don't remember doing. I don't like it that the good in this world sometimes die young, while evil people lay their grey heads down for a good night's sleep. This's a reality that exists whether there's a god or not. But theists just don't offer a more just solution with their payback in the afterlife.

Having everybody believe in karma will not stop them from doing bad things anymore than the threat of going to jail in this life. The United States has more laws than any other nation. We also have more peope in jail than any other nation.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

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#49
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
(January 9, 2017 at 1:20 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(January 9, 2017 at 4:29 am)Little Rik Wrote: It seems that you are not very happy with what we humans got Rob.
We got the law of action and reaction, we got the positive and negative we got the gravity law and so on.
These laws are design to keep the universe going and going and at the same time they give us the possibility to improve.
The karma law follow the same logic but atheists think that is at odd with all the rest.
Only when atheists and all the rest will understand that the karma is not at odd with all other universal laws then we will have a better world but it is a question of wake up and grow up.  Lightbulb
There  is no justice in punishing people for things they don't remember doing. I don't like it that the good in this world sometimes die young, while evil people lay their grey heads down for a good night's sleep. This's a reality that exists whether there's a god or not. But theists just don't offer a more just solution with their payback in the afterlife.

Having everybody believe in karma will not stop them from doing bad things anymore than the threat of going to jail in this life. The United States has more laws than any other nation. We also have more peope in jail than any other nation.




I agree that to be punished for what we do not know does not make any sense to atheists but put the other way around to see what would happened if we knew why we are being punished.

Suppose in the past life we did many wrong things like torturing or killing people.
By knowing these things we could not possibly carry on with our present life.
The bad feeling of knowing these things would drive us mad and prevent us from acting in a normal way.
Just see what happen with our present life.
All of us in this life have done things that we regret to ever having done.
If we only could go back in time we would act differently but the past is past.
We can not go back.
Nevertheless this feeling of having done stupid or evil things leave a mark in our mind.
Just imagine what would be of us if we only could remember our previous lives.
It is like add the burden of so many previous lives mistakes to our present life's mistakes.

Atheists by not believing in previous lives obviously never think about this.
If they only would think then they would understand that the advantages of knowing our previous lives mistakes would turn into a total disadvantage and disaster that is why is so much better not knowing
what trigger the karma reactions.  Lightbulb
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#50
RE: Is God Perfact? How?
(January 9, 2017 at 5:40 am)robvalue Wrote: You want me to grow up and accept that there's some magical record-keeping force transferring souls from one body to another, for which there is no evidence whatsoever?

Wrong Roberto.
NDEs are clear evidence that life goes on and on until you reach the human emancipation.


Quote:I don't see how people accepting this leads to a better world. Most people can be decent without needing post-life promises or threats.

Religions bring forward promises and threads.
What's new?
Nothing to do with me.


Quote:Well done, you've managed to derail yet another thread into your personal woo. I clearly wasn't even talking about it.


Derail within a forum is normal.
1) If you only would study history and see what the forums were all about you would not say that.

2) Within this moving and changing universe there is no such a thing as a straight line.
Have you ever seen a river that goes straight?
By the way was you that were saying that people should be free to be straight or gays?  Huh

3) if you only look back in my threads you will see people who derailed my thread time and time again with garbage swearing or other crap so derail a thread in this forum seems to be the norm rather than the
exception.  Indubitably


Sorry Rob but this wasn't your day.  Smile
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