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Who was "he" talking to?
#71
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 11, 2017 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Remind me why God lets Satan do anything?

So we can have a "loving" relationship with Him. I'm afraid you have missed what God desires for us, if you were to lay aside your hatred for the OT and with an open mind read the NT I believe you could see God's desire for us.

GC

(January 11, 2017 at 10:14 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: If only you knew what darkness lay deep beneath the depths of your soul, GC, then God could mend the filth inside it.

God knows my heart and is working upon it every day, which I'm grateful for.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#72
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 11, 2017 at 10:29 am)Godschild Wrote:
(January 11, 2017 at 10:14 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: If only you knew what darkness lay deep beneath the depths of your soul, GC, then God could mend the filth inside it.

God knows my heart and is working upon it every day, which I'm grateful for.

GC

Yes! Yes! YES! That's right brother. CLEANSE the filth. Cleanse it for God. Cleanse it faster. Faster. Okay that's a little too fast.

You must be cleansed by The Truth for GAWD oh brother.
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#73
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 11, 2017 at 10:35 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(January 11, 2017 at 10:29 am)Godschild Wrote: God knows my heart and is working upon it every day, which I'm grateful for.

GC

Yes! Yes! YES! That's right brother. CLEANSE the filth. Cleanse it for God. Cleanse it faster. Faster. Okay that's a little too fast.

You must be cleansed by The Truth for GAWD oh brother.

Ridicule deserves only one response and that came with my earlier post.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#74
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
But you must cleanse the filth in your heart with the Holy Janitor's Kit of The Truth oh brother! God's voice told me so. Or it may have been by email.
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#75
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 11, 2017 at 1:23 am)Godschild Wrote:
(January 10, 2017 at 10:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: How do you know all this, GC? From where are you getting your information?

The Bible gives us more info about Satan than you might realize. The history of other religions. Taking what I know about each subject I can reason out these things, God gave us a mind to use not to waste.

GC

Like, for instance, the fact that he's god's most loyal and abused servant. No matter what god wants done, Satan jumps to it; no matter what evil he wants committed, Satan tries to fulfill it. And even at that he is only in the bush leagues compared to god when it comes to killing innocents only killing ten people to more than 2.5 million (not including the flood where uncounted millions were killed).

Aren't you lucky you worship a being from a fictional fantasy folio?
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#76
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 11, 2017 at 1:23 am)Godschild Wrote:
(January 10, 2017 at 10:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: How do you know all this, GC? From where are you getting your information?

The Bible gives us more info about Satan than you might realize. The history of other religions. Taking what I know about each subject I can reason out these things, God gave us a mind to use not to waste.

GC

Then perhaps cite all the relevant passages regarding satan specifically.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#77
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 6, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(January 6, 2017 at 12:51 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I give you the tale IN THE BIBLE of Sampson and delila.

http://christianity.about.com/od/biblest...elilah.htm

This is a woman who robbed a man of his strength by giving him a haircut.
All reality no fantasy, yeah right.


What's fantasy here is you believe that this woman robbed him of his strength.

dbp Wrote:I could go on but it really is a load of bollocks. And rather obvious bollocks at that. I cannot believe that anybody can believe tat that is real for even a moment, how gullible would you have to be!

Now let me explain what I said above. As you posted Samson took a vow to God and then broke that vow, he sinned against God and God took his power. Delilah was an instrument in God's work, if you hadn't given up on the rest of the story you might have seen what I'm explaining. Samson's power was restored even though his hair had been cut off, the whole time it was God's power within Samson, some of the same power that created the universe.

GC

Now let me explain what it says in the bible, it says he lost his power by her cutting his hair.

But also, the whole story is just stupid, I am struggling to understand how a grown person can even for a second find it convincing.

(January 11, 2017 at 1:28 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(January 11, 2017 at 1:23 am)Godschild Wrote: The Bible gives us more info about Satan than you might realize. The history of other religions. Taking what I know about each subject I can reason out these things, God gave us a mind to use not to waste.

GC

Like, for instance, the fact that he's god's most loyal and abused servant. No matter what god wants done, Satan jumps to it; no matter what evil he wants committed, Satan tries to fulfill it. And even at that he is only in the bush leagues compared to god when it comes to killing innocents only killing ten people to more than 2.5 million (not including the flood where uncounted millions were killed).

Aren't you lucky you worship a being from a fictional fantasy folio?

Isnt satan working for god as his jailor!
Isnt it supposed to be an angel who sends people to hell!



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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#78
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 10, 2017 at 8:14 am)Tonus Wrote:
(January 9, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: Satan is at the root of all these other religions, what better deception than to provide a other belief systems that people fill better fits them than the only true God.

This is one of the things that makes it easy to defend one's own beliefs.  Other beliefs that are based on what appear to be the same reasoning are attributed to people being misled by Satan, who can masquerade as an angel of light.  But it means that everyone's explanation sounds exactly the same and no one can tell the difference.  How can one be sure that it was really god speaking to him, and not the devil?

Good point.

The thing about Satan, as anyone familiar with Judaism, as either a believing Jew, cultural Jew, or as a student of comparative religion can attest, is that Satan is not a person, but a title, "the accuser", and is part of the broader group of angels in Judaic mythology. In other words, Yahweh's right-hand of justice, so-to-speak. It was the Romano-Greek Christians of late antiquity and the early Middle Ages who made Satan into the figure of "The Devil"; the recipe is quite simple: pour in some dualism by making Satan the bad god, throw in the attributes of Hades/Pluto as the ruler of a fiery underworld, add some imagery by taking the horns and hooves of Pan and sticking them on Lucifer, pin a pointed tail and throw in a dash of red dye mixed with some superstition about the originator of tragedy and voila! You got the king of devils and the adversary of Yahweh.

(January 2, 2017 at 7:17 pm)Idontbelieveit Wrote: "And God said, Let there be light".

(a) Why would a god have to *say* anything?
(b) Who or what was around to hear and action the request?

Back to the original poster's question.

The answer lies in comparative religion and mythology.

It is a basic ancient Middle Eastern belief that has carried down through the centuries to today that, especially from ancient Egyptian religion, which had a major influence on Christianity since many of the earliest Church Fathers were Egyptians from Alexandria and environs.

To explain the world around them, in their minds at least, the forces of nature represented cosmic beings, called gods, who had such power that they could speak things into existence. The spoken word had power in ancient Egyptian mythology and belief. In the cult of Ptah, the creator god, Ptah spoke and the cosmos came into being. Words had power. That is why the ancient Egyptians believed that if you carved someone's name in stone, such as a pharaoh's name, their existence in The Field of Reeds (paradise, heaven) was assured. Remove the hieroglyphs in the name and cause the person to cease to exist. Speak the right spells and write the proper incantations on papyrus and tomb walls and you ensure the Pharaoh's or other individual's safe journey to Duat, the halls of judgement.

That idea was borrowed by the Early Christians from Egyptian mythology. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Magical. All religions have magic in them of some sort.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."--Thomas Jefferson
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#79
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 11, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(January 11, 2017 at 1:23 am)Godschild Wrote: The Bible gives us more info about Satan than you might realize. The history of other religions. Taking what I know about each subject I can reason out these things, God gave us a mind to use not to waste.

GC

Then perhaps cite all the relevant passages regarding satan specifically.

If I thought you serious I would, however I know you don't care.

GC

(January 11, 2017 at 2:50 pm)Secular Elf Wrote:
(January 10, 2017 at 8:14 am)Tonus Wrote: This is one of the things that makes it easy to defend one's own beliefs.  Other beliefs that are based on what appear to be the same reasoning are attributed to people being misled by Satan, who can masquerade as an angel of light.  But it means that everyone's explanation sounds exactly the same and no one can tell the difference.  How can one be sure that it was really god speaking to him, and not the devil?

Good point.

The thing about Satan, as anyone familiar with Judaism, as either a believing Jew, cultural Jew, or as a student of comparative religion can attest, is that Satan is not a person, but a title, "the accuser", and is part of the broader group of angels in Judaic mythology. In other words, Yahweh's right-hand of justice, so-to-speak. It was the Romano-Greek Christians of late antiquity and the early Middle Ages who made Satan into the figure of "The Devil"; the recipe is quite simple: pour in some dualism by making Satan the bad god, throw in the attributes of Hades/Pluto as the ruler of a fiery underworld, add some imagery by taking the horns and hooves of Pan and sticking them on Lucifer, pin a pointed tail and throw in a dash of red dye mixed with some superstition about the originator of tragedy and voila! You got the king of devils and the adversary of Yahweh.

Sounds like what the biblical uneducated would say.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#80
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
You're quite right, obviously I don't care. That's why I asked for citations, isn't it? Dead giveaway.

See, I have no problem with providing support for any assertions I make, as long as I have it. If you were just as confident in your assertions, you would do the same. It doesn't take a genius to work out why you are reluctant to do so. And so, stropping Hitchens' Razor just for you, I can quite as easily dismiss your claims with exactly as much evidence as you consider them worth the effort.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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