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Grow The Fuck Up Already...
Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Brian37 Wrote: 1. If the rich always got it right, then why do we have voting for all classes?
That's just the way it's set up dumbass. When did I ever say that the rich are always right?

Quote:2. If the rich always got it right then why did the Great Depression happen?
There are more theories on that than you have fingers and toes. I am not an economist and never claimed to be.
Quote:Why did Bush's triple whammy housing/car/bank crash cause our Great Recession?

Bush was a fucking idiot. I think we can agree on that.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 12, 2017 at 1:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: All of this...all of this to try and pin something on pc and sjw, btw?

You asked for an example of good intentions gone bad and I've given you one. A good one.
The fact is that no matter how justified you feel, painting a large group of people (even cops) as a homogeneous group of racists is failing as a strategy to save lives. In fact it's having the opposite effect and this bothers me because... Black Lives Matter.


Ok, so I've not posted on line in a while and I didn't mean to hijack a thread. BLM surely deserves it's own thread.

So let me ask you this. Do you think that good intentions never go bad? (rhetorical question) I'm pretty sure you know that happens. So do you think that the pc, and sjw people are immune to this? If not, then you try to think of some examples. There's no point in me giving you the examples and I'm not interested in playing the Monty Python game of "Is this the right room for an argument?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c  (No matter what you think of me this is hilarious, it's only a couple of minutes, give it a watch)

You can probably think of some examples just sitting there or googling for a few minutes. If you think you can show there aren't any examples of pc or sjw people going to far with good intentions then I'd like to know by what magic these people operate.
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Is that what you think you did?  All I saw was a defense of civil rights abuse, and an attempt to pin black deaths, on an organization that protests institutional abuse.  

I'm sure good intentions go bad, but what you presented wasn't so much of a stretch as a complete and total non sequitur.  The pc people and sjw folks can't be immune...but it seems to me that the unintended consequences of their actions center around dolts like Pool and Kusa getting triggered...or you, doing whatever it is you think that you're doing.  I'll trade that for a society with fewer racial slurs and more equality.
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Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 12, 2017 at 11:57 am)Brian37 Wrote: FUCK YOU ASSHOLE, first of you judgmental fuck, I am not draining her.
Not completely but you are a leach.
Quote:Secondly you sexist fuck, where are you demanding a stay at home wife get a job?
I didn't know that you identified as being a stay at home wife.

Quote:None of your fucking business asshole. You are not living with me nor do you pay my bills so I am not obligated to give one fuck what you think.
I'm sure some of my tax money pays a portion of your bills. You could at least quit breathing my air.

Quote:FYI fuckface, and I say this even when liberals pull the "mommy's basement", and yes both sides do it. I condemn liberals as well if they pull that shit.
You condemn people? That's not saying much coming from a basement boy.

Quote:FYI my mother has far better morality than you fuckface.

And you take complete advantage of the poor woman. Shame on you.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 12, 2017 at 11:48 am)KUSA Wrote:
(January 12, 2017 at 11:40 am)Rhythm Wrote: Sure you're not just a pussy from a pussy culture?


Not a pussy at all. I'm kinda like this guy.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 12, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Is that what you think you did?  All I saw was a defense of civil rights abuse, and an attempt to pin black deaths, on an organization that protests institutional abuse.  

I'm sure good intentions go bad, but what you presented wasn't so much of a stretch as a complete and total non sequitur.  The pc people and sjw folks can't be immune...but it seems to me that the unintended consequences of their actions center around dolts like Pool and Kusa getting triggered...or you, doing whatever it is you think that you're doing.  I'll trade that for a society with fewer racial slurs and more equality.

Yes, that is exactly what I did. It wasn't a stretch or a non sequitur. You asked for something, got it, then pretended it doesn't matter when it clearly does since there are now many more dead African Americans as a result. Isn't dead African Americans what we are both trying to prevent? And please leave the insults out of this. In no way did I ever once try to defend civil rights abuses. That's a cheap shot and a true example of a non sequitur. 

I think you wrongly view our discussion as some kind of fight that you MUST win. Which is wrong since we're essentially on the same side but only disagree as to methodology. That's why I asked you to come up with examples on your own, because if I do, you will just try to shoot them down out of some sort of reflexive need to disagree. 

Since you asked, what I think I'm doing is answering your question by demonstrating that vilifying a large group of people based on the actions of a few is a terrible idea no matter how justified those doing the vilifying may feel. That is the definition of bigotry and it always fails to produce good results. Take any group of a million and you can convince yourself that they are a racist group by finding racists within the group. Try it with a million dentists, a million teachers, or even a million atheists....

What I think I'm doing in this thread is to try to change the focus to workable solutions to problems by concentrating on results more than intentions. I believe that's what it means to grow up as the title of the thread asks.
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(January 11, 2017 at 11:24 pm)pool the great Wrote: Oh please, PTSD is not a 2017 thing. Besides, I know that getting "Triggered" (just sounds silly to even say it now) is a problem for people with PTSD and anger issues. You can blame your oversensitive buddies for trivalizing and making a joke out of it. Yayy America?

You still didn't answer how hearing those words ruins your experience.

Of course it isn't a 2017 thing. It's only fairly recently, though, that we've acknowledge the extent of PTSD and have started to deal with it as a culture.

Trivializing and making a joke of it? You mean just like you're doing here?

I've had PTSD. Fortunately, it was moderate and wasn't easily triggered. When it was, though, it was like reliving the trauma all over again. That's not something I'd wish on my worst enemy, but experiencing that would definitely give you the perspective you so desperately need.

(January 12, 2017 at 4:09 am)pool the great Wrote: Oh please give me a break. It's not like those poor little snowflakes will die from hearing a word. Grow up ya pansies. Used to be if you could make your way in America you could make it anywhere..with how things are going right now I doubt y'all are gonna be able to make it out their mom's basement lmao and this cancer culture is going to spread across the whole fucking world creating all kinds of headaches just like feminazism.yeah no thanks I think I'll pass but keep coddling your oversensitive glass skinned losers.

bold mine

Oh, you mean like hearing the words "trigger warning?"

It seems like you're the only pansy here. Perhaps you need a trigger warning for trigger warnings?

(January 12, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Asmodee Wrote: It wasn't a dig on people who have gone through some real shit.  Think "Ethan Couch" and you'll see where my mind was.

And just how do you know that the people you were talking about weren't going through some "real shit?" It's not like we wear signs around our necks or anything.

(January 12, 2017 at 2:14 pm)pool the great Wrote: About BLM:

There are random checking on our roads by cops to fine motorcyclists without helmet, overspeeding etc. Boys being boys have a bad habit of speeding from them instead of stopping so cops would chase them. A lot of kids would not ever stop and end up getting in a serious accident because they panic having cops chase them. So our government saw that families were losing their kids to this kind of tragedy way too much and banned cops from chasing down these kids but instead instructed cops to note down their number plate and send the ticket to their house.

Look, my point is, blacks obviously being more dope and awesome are generally more aggressive than your average Bob with a plumbers Crack. So imo cops should be given special training in dealing with those sorts of people that panic, freak out and wreck havoc for no other reason but for seeing a cop walking up to them. Obviously running them down and restraining them by assaulting them is not going to help.

People are different. Governments should realize this and instruct law enforcement officers to behave appropriately depending on the person. So far though nobody seems to be interested in actually solving the problem but yelling about it and causing all kinds of public nuisance. I think better training is the answer though although I'm 100% sure people can come up with even better solutions.

Oh, I see the problem now. You're hopelessly stupid.
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(January 12, 2017 at 5:18 pm)KUSA Wrote:
(January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Brian37 Wrote: 1. If the rich always got it right, then why do we have voting for all classes?
That's just the way it's set up dumbass. When did I ever say that the rich are always right?

Quote:2. If the rich always got it right then why did the Great Depression happen?
There are more theories on that than you have fingers and toes. I am not an economist and never claimed to be.
Quote:Why did Bush's triple whammy housing/car/bank crash cause our Great Recession?

Bush was a fucking idiot. I think we can agree on that.

Then don't fucking act like they always get it right asshole. You fucking argue that others are lazy, and are completely half assed about it to boot, just like the bullshit our right wing does with LGBT, simply a watered down version of the Islamic right "At least we don't throw our gays off of rooftops".

You think because I get family support that makes me evil or a piece of trash? Ok fine asshole, put your money where your mouth is, treat me like trash. Otherwise don't be a fucking dick, especially when I have argued consistently that I am not against all wealth nor against the private sector, not even against pay differences. Just the monopolies, just the pay gap.

Taxes are not robbery, higher taxes on the rich will not hurt the rich, better pay for workers WILL create more stability and make more people less dependent on government. Now, I defy you to show me in that last sentence where that makes me a commie, or even hate you for having more. I hate your fucking attitude.

Bush was an idiot. GREAT glad you agree, now which party is Trump running on? Now take this as a warning, if the GOP back then can fuck things up so bad, and is still full of that old money, and is still selling the same "fuck you I got mine" attitude, and he is filling his cabinet with the same Wall Street assholes who caused that, what the fuck makes you think Trump has any intent on changing that? He has bragged about stiffing university investors by not paying the full amount he owed. He's bragged about not paying taxes. All that is the same attitude as the old GOP.

At best he will do what Bush did. He will cut tax rates for the rich, like Bush, deregulate more, like Bush did. Invest just enough of a bribe tax cut for the middle class as a bribe, which will not compensate for the tax breaks for the rich by a small increase in workers spending. It will simply a short term false sense of security, that will add to the dept long term leading to a bubble, most likely even worse than what Bush did. And that is only if we are lucky for him not to tweet us into a nuclear war.

Trump and the GOP are perpetuating the same scam Reagan started.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 13, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Crunchy Wrote:
(January 12, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Is that what you think you did?  All I saw was a defense of civil rights abuse, and an attempt to pin black deaths, on an organization that protests institutional abuse.  

I'm sure good intentions go bad, but what you presented wasn't so much of a stretch as a complete and total non sequitur.  The pc people and sjw folks can't be immune...but it seems to me that the unintended consequences of their actions center around dolts like Pool and Kusa getting triggered...or you, doing whatever it is you think that you're doing.  I'll trade that for a society with fewer racial slurs and more equality.

Yes, that is exactly what I did. It wasn't a stretch or a non sequitur. You asked for something, got it, then pretended it doesn't matter when it clearly does since there are now many more dead African Americans as a result.
As a result of what PC, SJW, BLM?  LOL, no. 

Quote:Isn't dead African Americans what we are both trying to prevent? And please leave the insults out of this. In no way did I ever once try to defend civil rights abuses. That's a cheap shot and a true example of a non sequitur. 
No, you didn't do it once, you did it over and over and over.  

Quote:I think you wrongly view our discussion as some kind of fight that you MUST win. Which is wrong since we're essentially on the same side but only disagree as to methodology. That's why I asked you to come up with examples on your own, because if I do, you will just try to shoot them down out of some sort of reflexive need to disagree. 
With friends like you.....   Wink

Quote:Since you asked, what I think I'm doing is answering your question by demonstrating that vilifying a large group of people based on the actions of a few is a terrible idea no matter how justified those doing the vilifying may feel. That is the definition of bigotry and it always fails to produce good results. Take any group of a million and you can convince yourself that they are a racist group by finding racists within the group. Try it with a million dentists, a million teachers, or even a million atheists....
Awesome, now people who find the idea of thug cops abhorrent are bigots.  You've definitely got the script.

Quote:What I think I'm doing in this thread is to try to change the focus to workable solutions to problems by concentrating on results more than intentions. I believe that's what it means to grow up as the title of the thread asks.
Workable solutions like not violating civil rights, or workable solutions like shutting our mouths about civil rights abuse because that makes us bigots and hurts the cops feelers?

(there's no point in asking me not to crack jokes and rib you, btw, it's just how I interact with people I haven't -completely- written off yet)
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 12, 2017 at 11:48 am)KUSA Wrote:
(January 12, 2017 at 11:40 am)Rhythm Wrote: Sure you're not just a pussy from a pussy culture?


Not a pussy at all. I'm kinda like this guy.


Those who can, do.

Those who can't, post about how badass they are online.

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