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Psalm 137:9
20th February 2012, 04:00 (This post was last modified: 20th February 2012 04:02 by Faith No More.)
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RE: Psalm 137:9
chipan Wrote:It's contradictory because David prayed for Destruction while someone else in the book of joshoah prayed for piece?

Prayed for piece of what?
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20th February 2012, 04:09 (This post was last modified: 20th February 2012 04:11 by Aegrus.)
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RE: Psalm 137:9
Atheists are claiming that everything prayed for or said by god or people in the bible is (considered by theists) the word of god.

Theists are claiming that people can say things in the bible without what they said becoming the word of god.

A question to theists; if you say the above, that people can say things in the bible that aren't the word of god, how many other things would you lose? You take plenty of advice from dialogue in the bible. In fact, many of the moral messages and commands are made by people or the narrator, and not god directly. Are you saying that only things that god said in the bible should be considered as his commands?
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20th February 2012, 04:10
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RE: Psalm 137:9
(20th February 2012 03:35)Forsaken Wrote:  
(20th February 2012 03:24)chipan Wrote:  What's your point? That you can take a verse out of context and then look at a Christian site at how they rationalize it for what purpose? That we contradict ourselves? Just because David prayed for destruction of babylon does not mean we should all agree with it just as we don't think it's right that David committed adultery. The only point I see is that man sins which is what we've been saying from the start.

You say that the bible is the word of god and then ignore the parts that seem contradictory. Simply put, bible is not perfect! How can you then assert Genesis is the true word of God if you think Psalm is not?

Please show me the contradiction in this psalm, I personally do not see one. Genesis and Psalm are both inspired writings, inspired by God himself.
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20th February 2012, 04:11 (This post was last modified: 20th February 2012 04:14 by chi pan.)
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RE: Psalm 137:9
(20th February 2012 03:47)Minimalist Wrote:  
(19th February 2012 23:10)Forsaken Wrote:  "How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock," (Psalm 137:9).

Below is the take from one of the apologetics.
http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/job-s...g-children

In a nutshell:
1) Just because the bible says so does not mean God approves it. (I thought the bible was the word of God Thinking )
2) You cannot judge God on his morality. Even if he commits atrocities, humans have no right to judge him on that.

What else would you expect from scumbag bible thumpers?

Besides, you have to read the whole passage....

Quote: 7 Remember, LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

So because the Edomites were allegedly glad that Jerusalem fell - understandable as they were commercial rivals - it is the Babylonians who are going to have their infants dashed against the rocks. Except, that didn't happen either and the Persians took Babylon with little violence.

Meanwhile, the god who isn't there sat by cheering.

You really have to be fucked up to claim this stuff is righteous. You have to be more fucked up to claim it is real.

So God is supposed to give us free will and stop us from disobeying? What you expect to be righteous is a contradiction.
(20th February 2012 04:00)Faith No More Wrote:  
chipan Wrote:It's contradictory because David prayed for Destruction while someone else in the book of joshoah prayed for piece?

Prayed for piece of what?

Babylon
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

-4th verse of the american national anthem
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20th February 2012, 04:19
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(20th February 2012 04:09)Aegrus Wrote:  Atheists are claiming that everything prayed for or said by god or people in the bible is the word of god.

Theists are claiming that people can say things in the bible without what they said becoming the word of god.

A question to theists; if you say the above, that people can say things in the bible that aren't the word of god, how many other things would you lose? You take plenty advice from dialogue in the bible- are you admitting that that is not automatically what god wanted?

A news reporter can relay a story to someone else to write, this could be a story of great tragedy, but not necessarily the desire of the news reporter.
The entire Bible is the inspired word of God giving us the truth of certain issues, this does not mean God agrees, it does mean God wants use to see the truths that are relative to us.
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20th February 2012, 04:20 (This post was last modified: 20th February 2012 04:21 by chi pan.)
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RE: Psalm 137:9
(20th February 2012 04:09)Aegrus Wrote:  Atheists are claiming that everything prayed for or said by god or people in the bible is (considered by theists) the word of god.

Theists are claiming that people can say things in the bible without what they said becoming the word of god.

A question to theists; if you say the above, that people can say things in the bible that aren't the word of god, how many other things would you lose? You take plenty of advice from dialogue in the bible. In fact, many of the moral messages and commands are made by people or the narrator, and not god directly. Are you saying that only things that god said in the bible should be considered as his commands?

Your problem is you specify the question and generalize the answer. Yes the bible is the word of g God and is truth. Yes the bible contains people who sin who follow God. And yes the bible everyone sins including the best profits on the bible (exception of Jesus). I fail to see a contradiction here.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

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20th February 2012, 04:26 (This post was last modified: 20th February 2012 04:27 by Faith No More.)
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Godschild Wrote:The entire Bible is the inspired word of God giving us the truth of certain issues...

And who is to decide which 'certain issues' are the ones giving the truth? If the bible is only inspired by god, why must you take the creation story so literally? Perhaps it was only meant to allegorically convey a message and not scientific truth?

Just some food for thought...
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20th February 2012, 04:35 (This post was last modified: 20th February 2012 04:37 by Godschild.)
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RE: Psalm 137:9
(20th February 2012 03:47)Minimalist Wrote:  
(19th February 2012 23:10)Forsaken Wrote:  "How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock," (Psalm 137:9).

Below is the take from one of the apologetics.
http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/job-s...g-children

In a nutshell:
1) Just because the bible says so does not mean God approves it. (I thought the bible was the word of God Thinking )
2) You cannot judge God on his morality. Even if he commits atrocities, humans have no right to judge him on that.

What else would you expect from scumbag bible thumpers?

Besides, you have to read the whole passage....

Quote: 7 Remember, LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

So because the Edomites were allegedly glad that Jerusalem fell - understandable as they were commercial rivals - it is the Babylonians who are going to have their infants dashed against the rocks. Except, that didn't happen either and the Persians took Babylon with little violence.

Min this was not a prophesy, it is a song of lament and vengeance. What translation did you use?
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20th February 2012, 04:47
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The bible is all true, except just for that...and...that....and...that...and oh yes...that...
Common apologetic argument.
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20th February 2012, 04:51
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RE: Psalm 137:9
(20th February 2012 04:26)Faith No More Wrote:  
Godschild Wrote:The entire Bible is the inspired word of God giving us the truth of certain issues...

And who is to decide which 'certain issues' are the ones giving the truth? If the bible is only inspired by god, why must you take the creation story so literally? Perhaps it was only meant to allegorically convey a message and not scientific truth?

Just some food for thought...

All situations are truthful, some apply more to some than others. This particular psalm is showing us that God kept His word about punishing the nation of Israel and the suffering it would cause them. The psalmist is crying out in sorrow, just as God said the Israels would.
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