(July 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm)spockrates Wrote: I'm wondering whether there are any biblical passages that contradict one another. Please provide two contradictory passages for discussion and explain why they result in a contradiction. Thanks.

(July 15, 2012 at 11:22 pm)Stevie Wrote:

(July 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm)spockrates Wrote: I'm wondering whether there are any biblical passages that contradict one another. Please provide two contradictory passages for discussion and explain why they result in a contradiction. Thanks.

certainly. it's imperfect...you can throw away the bible now, i'm here (perfect).

(July 15, 2012 at 11:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(July 15, 2012 at 11:22 pm)Stevie Wrote: certainly. it's imperfect...you can throw away the bible now, i'm here (perfect).

I know there are people whom genuinely believe they are God or Jesus. I hope people don't treat you bad for it. I hope for your sake that you do get help and listen to your loved ones, and believe people that genuinely care for you, that you are not God.

I know it must be hard but no one is going to believe you are god. And it's hard for you to convince yourself that you are not.

I hope people realize here that doctors can't convince people with such conditions often, and so, we aren't going to have better luck, and to take it easy on you, realizing it's not your fault.

(July 15, 2012 at 11:30 pm)Stevie Wrote: well thanks for your genuine concern

Quote:Take care.

Quote: Still love ya' all.

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12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.

15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written:

"'My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'"

18 The chief priests and the teachers of the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his teaching.

19 When evening came, they went out of the city.

20 In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. 21 Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!"

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Hosea 9:
1 Do not rejoice, O Israel; do not be jubilant like the other nations. For you have been unfaithful to your God; ...
7 The days of punishment are coming, the days of reckoning are at hand. Let Israel know this. Because your sins are so many and your hostility so great, the prophet is considered a fool, the inspired man a maniac.
8 The prophet, along with my God, is the watchman over Ephraim, yet snares await him on all his paths, and hostility in the house of his God.
9 They have sunk deep into corruption, as in the days of Gibeah. God will remember their wickedness and punish them for their sins.
10 'When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree. But when they came to Baal Peor, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol and became as vile as the thing they loved.
11 Ephraim's glory will fly away like a bird—no birth, no pregnancy, no conception.
12 Even if they rear children, I will bereave them of every one. Woe to them when I turn away from them!
13 I have seen Ephraim, like Tyre, planted in a pleasant place. But Ephraim will bring out their children to the slayer."
14 Give them, O LORD—what will you give them? Give them wombs that miscarry and breasts that are dry.
15 "Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal, I hated them there. Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious.
16 Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit. Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring.'
17 My God will reject them because they have not obeyed him;
We can clearly see here that the author of Mark uses Hosea 9 for his motif, because in Mark 11 the fig

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Matthew 21:18,19 Wrote:18 Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

(July 15, 2012 at 5:11 pm)Annik Wrote: I'm willing to debate, just put a contradiction on the table and we'll talk about it. I gave you a list of hundreds.

(July 15, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Napoleon Wrote:

(July 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm)spockrates Wrote: I'm thinking this is not a place where people of different beliefs are welcome. Do you all enjoy just talking only with those who agree with you? Is it more of a support group than a debate forum?

You are perfectly welcome here, if I myself have given you the wrong impression I apologise. I do find however such threads incredibly tedious, I must apologise for my attitude. That is not your fault nor your problem.

Forget I ever posted here.

(July 15, 2012 at 7:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 15, 2012 at 4:38 pm)spockrates Wrote: I think so, but please explain your meaning.

Surely you don't think you are the first to show up here with this particular tactic.

No matter how many contradictions are shown they always produce some ludicrous "explanation," and pronounce themselves satisfied with it.

I will give you one example.

Quote:2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Mag

-- Mathew 2

Quote:2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.)

--Luke 2

Herod the Great died in 4 BC. Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was named governor of Syria in 6 AD.

There is a minimum 10 year gap between these two events.

Now, both may be ( my personal view) but one must be, wrong.

(July 16, 2012 at 8:11 am)LastPoet Wrote: Some members have already posted contraditions, adress them!

(July 15, 2012 at 7:51 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(July 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm)spockrates Wrote: I'm wondering whether there are any biblical passages that contradict one another. Please provide two contradictory passages for discussion and explain why they result in a contradiction. Thanks.

Heres two propositions throughout the Bible in numerous passages that contradict:
1. God is omnipotent, all-powerful and all knowing.
2. We have freewill.

If God has knowledge of events past, future and present then that means there is a single, unchanging path we all travel. Every choice we make is preordained to occur as is the outcome which means it isn't really a choice. We're just following the script of a massive machination.
Ergo, either God is not omnipotent or there is no free-will.
If free-will is implemented then that makes our future unwritten and therefore unpredictable to God, rendering omnipotence meaningless.
If God is omnipotent then that negates freewill, rendering freewill meaningless.
Explain.

Examples:
"And if it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15)

"For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me,
declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, "My counsel shall stand,
and I will accomplish all my purpose,"
calling a bird of prey from the east,
the man of my counsel from a far country.
I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass;
I have purposed, and I will do it."
(Isaiah 46.9-11)

(July 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(July 15, 2012 at 4:46 pm)spockrates Wrote: Thanks Mystic. Not sure about the first three. The last two sound like these words of Christ:

Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

(Matthew 10:39)


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...on=NIV1984

Believers are promised salvation. Disobedient/desires of the life of this world from believers are promised damnation.

How can they be promised both salvation and damnation?

This problem also occurs in Quran.