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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| (June 10, 2009 at 12:19 pm)Darwinian Wrote: But doesn't that go against the teachings of Genesis? I take it that you interpret this part of the bible in a non literal, poetic sense. If that is the... |
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June 11, 2009 at 4:04 am |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| (June 9, 2009 at 1:09 pm)bozo Wrote: I'd like to ask you this question:
You say you are a christian but accept evolution. Do you think that evolution is part of " God's plan "? i.e. created by God.... |
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June 10, 2009 at 11:53 am |
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Thread: Evidence that God exists
Post: RE: Evidence that God exists
| I think Kyu is right. Applying his point to to the modal ontological argument, if you look at premise 6, it seems perfectly innocent. However, the argument only gives two choices - logically, God has ... |
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June 7, 2009 at 8:36 am |
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Thread: Evidence that God exists
Post: RE: Evidence that God exists
| Oh, sorry. I think I see.
Obviously, you're right. There is no reason a God should be necessary, eternal, etc.. Plenty of gods in the polytheistic religions aren't. And of course I don't know that go... |
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June 7, 2009 at 7:09 am |
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Thread: Evidence that God exists
Post: RE: Evidence that God exists
| I don't think this analogy works
(June 7, 2009 at 6:31 am)leo-rcc Wrote: 4: God's blue eyes either exist or don't exist (from 2,3)
This is a weaker claim than the original, which claims that God's ... |
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June 7, 2009 at 6:44 am |
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Thread: Evidence that God exists
Post: RE: Evidence that God exists
| In the same way I can assign a property to anything definitionally. For example, I may say 'Unicorns have a horn'. I'm not saying that unicorns exist and have a horn, but that if unicorns existed, the... |
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June 7, 2009 at 6:23 am |
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Thread: Evidence that God exists
Post: RE: Evidence that God exists
| Not that much of a change then :s
How about modal ontological arguments? I don't think they're circular or beg the question (although they come close). Here's one:
1: God is by definition eternal - ... |
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June 7, 2009 at 5:52 am |
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Thread: Evidence that God exists
Post: RE: Evidence that God exists
| Hmm.
This is a rather weak argument to design. I don't agree with this one, although I do like other versions.
I've noticed that people on here are constantly calling for empirical evidence for God'... |
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June 7, 2009 at 5:30 am |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| peace2u, thank you for contributing - it's interesting to learn something about the Islamic viewpoint.
I do feel, however, that you're missing the point of this thread. I didn't want arguments for/ag... |
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June 6, 2009 at 5:38 pm |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| (June 6, 2009 at 11:12 am)peace2u Wrote: Because Evolution is a theory and not a fact hence 'The Theory of Evolution'
I suppose what peace2u is getting at could be put as
6: Evolution is unscientif... |
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June 6, 2009 at 2:35 pm |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| Heh.
Well, coming from a theistic viewpoint I'm bound to make occasional slips like the one above - assuming that Adam and Eve existed etc.. I suppose among some of the Christians I'm used to talking... |
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June 5, 2009 at 6:09 pm |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| Oops, I forgot :)
Anyway, you're going to have to make concessions - my irrational brain can't keep track of everything at once! |
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June 5, 2009 at 5:07 pm |
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Thread: Hello...
Post: RE: Hello...
| Hmm, interesting...
What do you think about deists? Are they irrational, rational, or somewhere between the two?
Cleanthes
P.S. Appreciate the niceness! |
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June 5, 2009 at 4:51 pm |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| OK, fair enough. I wasn't saying the argument isn't valid without inherited sin, I just meant to clarify because a lot of people conflate the two.
In hindsight, I sound a bit patronising there - sorry... |
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June 5, 2009 at 4:41 pm |
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Thread: Hello...
Post: RE: Hello...
| Well, I try my best...
I'm searching for a happy atheist to travel with me. Together, we shall subvert stereotypes throughout the world :P! |
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June 5, 2009 at 4:33 pm |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: RE: Why are Christians against evolution?
| That's what I'm trying to get at in point 4 - some people think if we accept evolution we can't explain where sin comes from/started. This puts it better though, thanks.
Any others?
Cleanthes
P.s. ... |
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June 5, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
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Thread: Why are Christians against evolution?
Post: Why are Christians against evolution?
| Hi, here goes.
I'm a philosophy and theology student in the UK, and the more I study the more I struggle to understand why (some) Christians have a problem with evolution. I think there's no reason w... |
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June 5, 2009 at 2:26 pm |
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Thread: Hello...
Post: RE: Hello...
| No, I think we accuse Jews of eating babies - I can't remember what atheists do off the top of my head. I've got the list somewhere :P. Although, from having browsed various forums a bit I can see why... |
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June 5, 2009 at 2:03 pm |
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Thread: Hello...
Post: Hello...
| Heya chaps
I'm a Christian (true), thought I'd join to convert you all (not true, don't ban me please). This seemed like a nice polite forum and I had a question, so I thought I'd join.
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