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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (September 2, 2012 at 9:48 am)FallentoReason Wrote: So it seems like God is benevolent. He knew we would fall but he did nothing to avoid that even though he's omnipotent.
Good suggestion! What shou... |
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September 3, 2012 at 8:15 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (September 2, 2012 at 5:12 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (September 1, 2012 at 11:05 pm)spockrates Wrote: But regarding the voting illustration, please explain how it is analogous to omniscience and free... |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (September 1, 2012 at 11:25 pm)idunno Wrote: Sure my pointy eared Christian friend :D but I need a break from the computer so I'm logging off after this post. If you're still hazy I encourage you to... |
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September 2, 2012 at 8:03 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| But regarding the voting illustration, please explain how it is analogous to omniscience and freewill. I'm not sure I see the connection, yet.
(September 1, 2012 at 11:01 pm)idunno Wrote: Theologic... |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (September 1, 2012 at 10:43 pm)idunno Wrote: The capable, but chooses not to know, reasoning isn't really met with much acceptance. I'd avoid it around here if I were you.
That voting analogy I po... |
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September 1, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (September 1, 2012 at 10:30 pm)idunno Wrote: (September 1, 2012 at 10:23 pm)spockrates Wrote: I don't understand. Why is the fact that freewill necessitates multiple options necessarily a dilemma?... |
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September 1, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (September 1, 2012 at 10:13 pm)idunno Wrote: Sure, the underlying premise of the dilemma is that free will necessitates multiple options. I've cited Harry Frankfurt's work to show that this is not t... |
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September 1, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (September 1, 2012 at 3:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (September 1, 2012 at 7:06 am)spockrates Wrote: Do you really still believe I'm trying to trick you into believing omniscience means to know less than a... |
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September 1, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| [Image: http://atomiccd.files.wordpress.com/2010...endrix.jpg]
Come on! Is there anyone here who truly believes the Christian God (if he exists) is experienced?
If no Christian believes God has exp... |
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September 1, 2012 at 8:08 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (August 31, 2012 at 11:52 am)idunno Wrote: spockrates, are you an open theist?
I'm open to anything--theistic, or non-theistic.
:)
How about you, idonno?
(August 31, 2012 at 2:03 pm)downbeatplum... |
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September 1, 2012 at 7:06 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| But I don't see how a possibility to know is the same as actually knowing. For example, it is possible for me to know what you mean, but I obviously don't. If you don't continue the dialog, then I lik... |
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August 31, 2012 at 8:51 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| Yes, but an important premise of your argument against omniscience was that God does not limit what he knows. Since this premise has now obviously been proven false, your conclusion is now not support... |
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August 31, 2012 at 8:45 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| Now, I might be wrong, and it still might be possible to salvage your argument against omniscience. You might concede that Christians believe God does indeed limit his personal knowledge (or experinci... |
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August 31, 2012 at 8:14 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| I don't know what else to say, Rythm, except that I appreciate the time you and others have given to help me think through this.
:)
I did look up omniscience, and posted what I found:
Omniscience ... |
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August 31, 2012 at 6:56 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (August 29, 2012 at 5:35 pm)Chuck Wrote: (August 29, 2012 at 2:47 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: What I would like you to explain is, if you're seriously considering atheism, why are you avoiding the cen... |
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August 30, 2012 at 7:03 am |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (August 29, 2012 at 5:17 pm)Chuck Wrote: (August 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm)spockrates Wrote: The question to which I want to know the answer is this: Since God is all-knowing, :D
Based on what? Did go... |
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August 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (August 29, 2012 at 4:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (August 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm)spockrates Wrote: So God is experienced?
Kindly point to anything in my response that this follows from?
You said omni is tota... |
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August 29, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| (August 29, 2012 at 3:49 pm)Chuck Wrote: (August 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm)spockrates Wrote: How do you know to experience is not to know?
Because I have experienced the experience of having experiend b... |
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August 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
| Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
If you can just get your mind together
Then come on across to me
We'll hold hands and then we'll watch the sunrise
From the bottom of the sea
But first, are you e... |
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August 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
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Thread: Better reasons to quit Christianity
Post: RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
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Is there anyone here who disagrees that to experience is to know and there are some things that can only be known through experience?
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August 29, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
