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    Thread: Atheism, A Grim Position?
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Well, I'm done. I have a pretty high tolerance for ad hominem and sarcasm but I do get weary from it. So, I'll say goodbye. I appreciate the civil discourse and good arguments from a few of the mem...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 3:05 pm
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(January 6, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So, you're just going to ignore everything I've said to you in this thread, including the questions I've asked you and the requests for demonstration of y...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 2:16 pm
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(January 6, 2015 at 12:22 pm)JuliaL Wrote: In your estimation, is the God you assert omnipotent? Omniscient? Cosmic Muffin, Hairy thunderer? It's hard to fight a vapor. My approach to theology is...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 1:52 pm
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(January 6, 2015 at 11:38 am)Esquilax Wrote: (January 5, 2015 at 11:45 pm)*steve* Wrote: Hmmm. So your argument against genocide is that morality needs conscious agents which it would eliminate. ...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 12:42 pm
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(January 6, 2015 at 11:10 am)Alex K Wrote: Not quite the metaphor you are looking for :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ove..._decisions Not a problem. Justices disagree from one bench to ano...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 12:14 pm
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(January 6, 2015 at 11:18 am)JuliaL Wrote: (January 6, 2015 at 1:36 am)*steve* Wrote: In my view there is an ultimate basis for value, grounded in God.Defining God as the ultimate basis for value,...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 11:59 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 11:20 am)robvalue Wrote: You seem to be assuming things cannot have any value unless there is some ultimate authority giving them value. No, I'm not assuming that. Things can ce...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 11:24 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 11:01 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: As to your other two "points", you'll have to describe them more. What the hell is a "ultimate basis for value" or an "ultimate intentionality as...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 11:20 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 10:54 am)Alex K Wrote: What precisely do you mean by ultimate? Take the US Supreme Court as metaphor for it. That court is the final adjudicator for what is consistent with the ...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 11:07 am
    Thread: Atheism, A Grim Position?
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(January 6, 2015 at 10:42 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Define "ultimate". Good question. Perhaps something like, "that which all else is based on". Or "the final ontological stopping point."
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 10:58 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 9:28 am)Brian37 Wrote: But as far as our time while we are alive as individuals yes our lives have meaning. I find it absurd to think because we are finite we cannot enjoy the fi...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 10:53 am
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Ok, I get it. My bad. So atheism doesn't have any tenets beyond "Atheism is lack of belief in a deity or deities". But I'm curious then. Are there atheists who disagree with what I mistakenly call...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 10:41 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 2:30 am)Surgenator Wrote: If God decides what is moral, then the ultimate morallity is might-is-right. God is the mightiest so she decides on what is moral, right? True. But we ...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 3:04 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 2:32 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: (January 6, 2015 at 1:36 am)*steve* Wrote: I think I understand some things about atheism but our discussions have mainly been about the conflicts in...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 2:46 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 12:51 am)JuliaL Wrote: I claimed the dictum 'God said to' was simple. *steve* Wrote:Some may. I think it is incredibly complex.If you find time, could you please elaborate on you...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 1:36 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 12:41 am)JuliaL Wrote: (January 6, 2015 at 12:39 am)Rhythm Wrote: The two of us may never agree.....but I'm not the one that's going to end up in a box hit over the head with a...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 12:51 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 12:17 am)Rhythm Wrote: Tell you what I told the last guy with the same schtick. Bricks and Boxes. If you'd like to propose a scenario in which your desire to kill redheads is e...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 12:35 am
    Thread: Atheism, A Grim Position?
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(January 6, 2015 at 12:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: Neither, it makes them successful. The issue you're talking about isn't even best addressed by "right or wrong" but by "legal or illegal". No, that is exa...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 12:31 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 12:23 am)JuliaL Wrote: (January 6, 2015 at 12:12 am)*steve* Wrote: But what if I ( as a rational human being ) don't care about society? I just want what I want and I want to ...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 12:29 am
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(January 6, 2015 at 12:07 am)JuliaL Wrote: For every complex question there is always a simple wrong answer. There is almost nothing simpler than 'God said to' so theists go for that. Some may. I t...
 *steve* Philosophy 170 18674 January 6, 2015 at 12:26 am