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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 5:05 pm
Necro... oh well... 
The other day, a thought came across my mind.... it's a dangerous thing, but it happens, once in a while! 
For a catholic, what is the relevance of the OT?
Also, assuming that the OT contains some truth, and there has ever been only one god and this god presented itself to the first humans, then how did people come up with all the others? Specially, knowing that the one single god popped up every once in a while...
How long would that have taken? Maybe we can look into the book for that? How many generations passed in between Noah (the sole survivor, along with his family, of the flood and someone firmly convinced of the single god notion, which his family should also be) and Moses? I seem to remember the NT having one or two genealogies of J.C. with a mandatory passage through Noah.
Are there enough generation to produce the whole population of Egypt? And the religion of Egypt and convince every egyptian of those other gods? And also produce some 2 million hebrews and enslave them?
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm
(August 21, 2015 at 5:05 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Necro... oh well...
The other day, a thought came across my mind.... it's a dangerous thing, but it happens, once in a while!
For a catholic, what is the relevance of the OT?
The Old Testament is the New concealed; the New is the Old revealed.
Quote:Also, assuming that the OT contains some truth, and there has ever been only one god and this god presented itself to the first humans, then how did people come up with all the others? Specially, knowing that the one single god popped up every once in a while...
How long did it take for the people whom God had delivered from Israel to create a golden calf while Moses was talking with God on Mt. Sinai? A few weeks?
Quote:How long would that have taken? Maybe we can look into the book for that? How many generations passed in between Noah (the sole survivor, along with his family, of the flood and someone firmly convinced of the single god notion, which his family should also be) and Moses? I seem to remember the NT having one or two genealogies of J.C. with a mandatory passage through Noah.
Are there enough generation to produce the whole population of Egypt? And the religion of Egypt and convince every egyptian of those other gods? And also produce some 2 million hebrews and enslave them?
Interesting questions. Let me know if you come up with anything.
In the meantime, here is part of the genealogy of Jesus that Luke recorded:
Quote:the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
God
Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
Only nine generations from Adam to Noah assuming Luke didn't skip anyone. And remember, these folks lived a really long time.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 5:33 pm
(August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: God
Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
Only nine generations from Adam to Noah assuming Luke didn't skip anyone. And remember, these folks lived a really long time.
I thought you were Catholic, not a young earther. Do you really believe in literal creation by God of one Adam and one Eve who then give birth to all the human race? You also think they lived 900 years (or some equally ridiculous number) in the past unlike now. Next thing you'll be telling us humans rode around on dinosaurs. I think your intellectual cred just went in the dumper.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 5:35 pm
(August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (August 21, 2015 at 5:05 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Necro... oh well...
The other day, a thought came across my mind.... it's a dangerous thing, but it happens, once in a while!
For a catholic, what is the relevance of the OT?
The Old Testament is the New concealed; the New is the Old revealed. I don't get it... 
Can you explain this with a bit more verbosity?
(August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Quote:Also, assuming that the OT contains some truth, and there has ever been only one god and this god presented itself to the first humans, then how did people come up with all the others? Specially, knowing that the one single god popped up every once in a while...
How long did it take for the people whom God had delivered from Israel to create a golden calf while Moses was talking with God on Mt. Sinai? A few weeks? Ah, but those had influences of other polytheist religions within their lifetimes and experiences.
I'm talking about how did those others pop up in the first place?
(August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Quote:How long would that have taken? Maybe we can look into the book for that? How many generations passed in between Noah (the sole survivor, along with his family, of the flood and someone firmly convinced of the single god notion, which his family should also be) and Moses? I seem to remember the NT having one or two genealogies of J.C. with a mandatory passage through Noah.
Are there enough generation to produce the whole population of Egypt? And the religion of Egypt and convince every egyptian of those other gods? And also produce some 2 million hebrews and enslave them?
Interesting questions. Let me know if you come up with anything.
In the meantime, here is part of the genealogy of Jesus that Luke recorded:
Quote:the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
God
Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
Only nine generations from Adam to Noah assuming Luke didn't skip anyone. And remember, these folks lived a really long time.
Dude, you're going the wrong way!
Noah to Moses. I asked for a result in generations because of the potential notions that those persons lived for a long time.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Don't expect too much. The cards are on the table.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 6:32 pm
(August 21, 2015 at 5:05 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Necro... oh well...
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 8:13 pm
Damn, that's a fucking great question Poc. But then again, we have evidence of religions dating before the time of Adam (and evidence of the universe dating 13 billion years before Adam, but that's besides the point), so if they can dismiss that then why would they have to answer to the religions popping up in other parts of the world while God was walking around Eden with Adam.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 21, 2015 at 8:19 pm
(August 21, 2015 at 8:13 pm)Exian Wrote: (and evidence of the universe dating 13 billion years before Adam, but that's besides the point)
Absoultely not besides the point, since the Catholic church besides mainstream protestanism is about the only denomination accepting most scientific facts. Randy's going against his own church if he subscribes to some thousand years.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 22, 2015 at 5:39 pm
(August 21, 2015 at 8:13 pm)Exian Wrote: Damn, that's a fucking great question Poc.  thnx!
(August 21, 2015 at 8:13 pm)Exian Wrote: But then again, we have evidence of religions dating before the time of Adam Shush, man!
I don't care for Adam.
I'm just assuming there was ever one single god and, at some point, there was only one person, a person who had first hand contact with that one god. And, according to the story, the last person to whom this happened was Noah... lets stick to him!
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RE: Ask a Catholic
August 22, 2015 at 6:57 pm
(August 21, 2015 at 5:35 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: The Old Testament is the New concealed; the New is the Old revealed. I don't get it...
Can you explain this with a bit more verbosity?
(August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: How long did it take for the people whom God had delivered from Israel to create a golden calf while Moses was talking with God on Mt. Sinai? A few weeks? Ah, but those had influences of other polytheist religions within their lifetimes and experiences.
I'm talking about how did those others pop up in the first place?
(August 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Interesting questions. Let me know if you come up with anything.
In the meantime, here is part of the genealogy of Jesus that Luke recorded:
God
Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
Only nine generations from Adam to Noah assuming Luke didn't skip anyone. And remember, these folks lived a really long time.
Dude, you're going the wrong way!
Noah to Moses. I asked for a result in generations because of the potential notions that those persons lived for a long time.
Sorry, my bad.
I'm afraid I can't be of much more assistance; this is not my field of expertise.
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