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Free Will - Yes/No?

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Free Will - Yes/No?
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 9, 2016 at 11:07 pm
Google is your friend.

fatalism and determinism
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 9, 2016 at 11:21 pm
Either you ignored my comment (which I suspect) or just refuse to stand corrected.

Here you go anyway.  It is called 'science research'.

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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:27 am (This post was last modified: May 10, 2016 at 12:31 am by Excited Penguin.)
(May 9, 2016 at 11:21 pm)IATIA Wrote: Either you ignored my comment (which I suspect) or just refuse to stand corrected.

Here you go anyway.  It is called 'science research'.

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That's still causation. And you still never explained why you think randomness is any threat to determinism.
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#154
RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:30 am
(May 9, 2016 at 11:07 pm)IATIA Wrote: Google is your friend.

fatalism and determinism

You're confused. Let me help you. I'm smarter than you, so I don't need things explained to me. I know that we use the words differently and I know why, but they both describe the same fact of life, they're just used by people with different outlooks. That shouldn't make you think, though, that the two ideas are any different from each other from an objective point of view.
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#155
RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:30 am
I have free will, because I have the choice of either going left or right. That is, essentially, free will.
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:32 am (This post was last modified: May 10, 2016 at 12:33 am by Excited Penguin.)
(May 10, 2016 at 12:30 am)Maelstrom Wrote: I have free will, because I have the choice of either going left or right.  That is, essentially, free will.

What do you think having a choice means? Unknown, uncontrollable causes forcing you to go either left or right?

It turns out we're all wrong. God exists after all. His name is causation.
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:35 am
(May 10, 2016 at 12:32 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: What do you think having a choice means? Unknown, uncontrollable causes forcing you to go either left or right?

It turns out we're all wrong. God exists after all. His name is causation.

No.

I am a man who makes a decision. Causation is a direct result of my decision. No god involved.
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:40 am
(May 10, 2016 at 12:35 am)Maelstrom Wrote:
(May 10, 2016 at 12:32 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: What do you think having a choice means? Unknown, uncontrollable causes forcing you to go either left or right?

It turns out we're all wrong. God exists after all. His name is causation.

No.

I am a man who makes a decision.  Causation is a direct result of my decision.  No god involved.

I'm confused. You're the cause of causation and yet you're not involved, and also, you're a man? So are you Jesus with a deistic twist?
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:43 am
You just need to think more rationally rather than twisting everything to fit an already preconceived notion.
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 10, 2016 at 12:47 am
(May 10, 2016 at 12:43 am)Maelstrom Wrote: You just need to think more rationally rather than twisting everything to fit an already preconceived notion.

And which preconceived notion is that?
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