Childhood indoctrination

[KichigaiNeko]

I'm reading this thread about vegetarian, which I support, and wonder wth it has to do with childhood indoctrination, which I both support and practice.

It has nothing to do with "childhood indoctrination" and everything to do with evolutionary symbiotic genetic development Benny.

Many "vegan/vegetarians" have one wiff of bacon and bam! Their evolutionary biology kicks in and says "I NEED this" Nothing to do with indoctrination.

The only "indoctrination" here is that "vegan/ vegetarianism" is the new politicly correct politics for the planet.

[NoraBrimstone]

The smell of bacon makes me feel all nauseous.

[The Grand Nudger]

Thanks for your post. I guess as long as we have a monetary system, humanity is screwed? That sounds about right, but let's not make innocent animals pay for our mistakes.

LOL, as long as we have a monetary system at least some of us are going to be screwed, yes (not really the fault of ag tho). It isn't just that animals (including ourselves) "pay" for our economic policy- we also "pay" for our technical inability, and perhaps even more than either of the first two we "pay" for the limits of organic chemistry. So long as livestock are capable of processing commodities which we are not (for whatever reason, be it economics or biology) their presence in a food production system will always mean "more food" than would be available in their absence. Until we find a better nutrient source than either the livestock themselves or petrochem (in this regard we could simply find a better way of distributing said resource in the short term..but this would only forestall the same problem..as it is consumed at a greater rate than it occurs by any process that we are aware of) we will be beholden to one or the other.

I noticed in one of your responses that you aren't comfortable conceding that additional fertility (that is, additional to what is naturally occurring) is required - if you would like me to link you a commercial agricultural production manual (for a region with nutrient rich soils) I would be more than happy to oblige. Fertility is required, it does not occur in great enough amounts/density naturally, and it doesn't care whether you or I are comfortable with that - in fact it simply doesn't care at all...it's just chemistry.

[KichigaiNeko]

The smell of bacon makes me feel all nauseous.

It's all in the genetics Nora. That is my point.

Anglo-Saxon raised as a vegan and was (at age 18) introduced to bacon. Bam! Omnivore. His body said "we NEED this!"

This is further to my point, should yourself or anyone else find that a vegan/vegetarian diet suits your particular metabolism and genetics all kudos to you. Vegan/vegetarianism is NOT a panacea and there are many who are unable to partake of such a diet for mainly genetic or metabolic reasons. That said it is childish and futile to (by way of guilt/ ad populism) argument to say that vegan/vegetarianism will "cure the world"! It won't and many would die (and are dying) as a result.

For me the world is a wondrous amazing place and I am part of this thing called living. I do not strive to set myself above it nor to dictate how it should work.

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Thanks for your post. I guess as long as we have a monetary system, humanity is screwed? That sounds about right, but let's not make innocent animals pay for our mistakes.

LOL, as long as we have a monetary system at least some of us are going to be screwed, yes (not really the fault of ag tho). It isn't just that animals (including ourselves) "pay" for our economic policy- we also "pay" for our technical inability, and perhaps even more than either of the first two we "pay" for the limits of organic chemistry. So long as livestock are capable of processing commodities which we are not (for whatever reason, be it economics or biology) their presence in a food production system will always mean "more food" than would be available in their absence. Until we find a better nutrient source than either the livestock themselves or petrochem (in this regard we could simply find a better way of distributing said resource in the short term..but this would only forestall the same problem..as it is consumed at a greater rate than it occurs by any process that we are aware of) we will be beholden to one or the other.

I noticed in one of your responses that you aren't comfortable conceding that additional fertility (that is, additional to what is naturally occurring) is required - if you would like me to link you a commercial agricultural production manual (for a region with nutrient rich soils) I would be more than happy to oblige. Fertility is required, it does not occur in great enough amounts/density naturally, and it doesn't care whether you or I are comfortable with that - in fact it simply doesn't care at all...it's just chemistry.

Just curious Rhythm, do you anything about the soil structure of Australia?

[little_monkey]

The best meal on this planet is a rack of lamb with just about the spices... yum, yum.

[KichigaiNeko]

The best meal on this planet is a rack of lamb with just about the spices... yum, yum.

And then there are the UGG Boots!!... and the Jackets...And the Blankets!

Blessed be the little baa sheep!

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One thing that synthetics can't do, and that is have EVERYTHING being utilised as either food, oil/ energy or clothing.


Has anyone seen the use of Myco-bacterium? Err Fungi Mycelium?

http://gizmodo.com/the-futuristic-materi...-511544462

[The Grand Nudger]

Just curious Rhythm, do you anything about the soil structure of Australia?

Certainly nothing approaching the level of what your local universities and ag depts would. Not that they would know anything about the soil in your yard -for example- unless they'd been there taking samples (that is to say, nothing they might tell you about your yard would hold true in anything but what can be estimated by averages in similar conditions). I do know plenty of ways that you could work out the important characteristics of your soil though- ways that are infinitely more amusing than buying a test kit from the local home improvement store...hehehe.

What are you wondering about though? Would be a great excuse for me to learn (and you know I love it when these threads are poppin').

[KichigaiNeko]

Thing is .... I wouldn't presume to know what your "backyard soil structure" is like and like yourself would love to know more. Here I can tell you it is sand; high mineral content and high iron content but low nutrient...basically add cow poo and stand back!

Here is my current home:- http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/381R/WAgeomap.jpg




As I intimated before we are lucky to have anything resembling "top soil" here to a depth of about 30cms (12 inches) Clay is virtually unheard of except in small isolated pockets as can be identified by the range of flora growing in the vicinity. See the white strip? That's where the tide has gone out and hasn't come back since millenia ago. Limestone sand isn't THAT bad but then again it isn't the type of "soil" that will feed multitudes (either with veggies or meat protein)

[ideologue08]

That's where we used to send criminals you know-Australia. Although the number of voluntary immigrants soon dwarfed the criminal population.

[KichigaiNeko]

And so many of the UK bastards are still trying to get in ideo, you got a criminal record?