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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 8:41 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Sleepy Wrote:The person who said that it's a paradox is God is All-Knowing is being illogical. If God is All-Knowing that means He cannot learn.
Learning is a quality of the student. By saying God is All-Knowing means that he does not learn as he knows everything. Having the ability to learn implies you are not All-Knowing. Use your brain.
You completely butchered my argument:
Omniscience + omnipotence - if God can't learn anything new, then there is something he *can't do*. Therefore, he can't be omnipotent.
The concept of "new" and "old" doesn't exist with God. He knows everything that ever was or is. There is nothing new without Him as he creates everything. It's not difficult to understand.
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm
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I asked for Qur'an verses that states explicitly that nonbelievers or believers of other religions are equal to muslims. Where are they? I genuinely will change a great deal of my opinions about your religion if you manage to produce these verses and show that they override all others that say nonbelievers should live by separate laws under the control of muslims in a muslim majority population.
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm
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(November 16, 2013 at 8:41 pm)Sleepy Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: You completely butchered my argument:
Omniscience + omnipotence - if God can't learn anything new, then there is something he *can't do*. Therefore, he can't be omnipotent.
The concept of "new" and "old" doesn't exist with God. He knows everything that ever was or is. There is nothing new without Him as he creates everything. It's not difficult to understand.
Are you being serious right now..?
Yes, he knows *everything* - he's omniscient. This means there's something he *cannot do* - learn something new. That means he's not all powerful since there's something he *cannot do*.
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 8:41 pm)Sleepy Wrote: The concept of "new" and "old" doesn't exist with God. He knows everything that ever was or is. There is nothing new without Him as he creates everything. It's not difficult to understand.
Are you being serious right now..?
Yes, he knows *everything* - he's omniscient. This means there's something he *cannot do* - learn something new. That means he's not all powerful since there's something he *cannot do*.
You realize how nonsensical you sound right now. Learning is a characteristic of students. not the Teacher. If you're All-Knowing that means you know everything. Learning is a characteristic of those not All-Knowing. If you're All-Knowing, "learning" is not something of you.
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm)Sleepy Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Are you being serious right now..?
Yes, he knows *everything* - he's omniscient. This means there's something he *cannot do* - learn something new. That means he's not all powerful since there's something he *cannot do*.
You realize how nonsensical you sound right now. Learning is a characteristic of students. not the Teacher. If you're All-Knowing that means you know everything. Learning is a characteristic of those not All-Knowing. If you're All-Knowing, "learning" is not something of you.
Sleepy.... put down the indoctrination kool aid and read the words I'm writing. You're being too quick to respond while thinking you're two steps ahead. This isn't the case as you're *still* blatantly ignoring me talking about OMNIPOTENCE - being all powerful.
(1) God is all-powerful
(C1) There is nothing God can't do
(2) God is all-knowing
(C2) God can't learn anything new
Therefore (C3) God isn't all-powerful
Please get that through your head properly before responding.
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm
If he knows everything what is there to learn? Think about that because you're making yourself look like a fool. No thinking atheist would argue what you're saying because it's illogical. That's my last response to you because it's clear you're in middle/high school still. If you have an actual logical statement or comment let me know
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm)Sleepy Wrote: You realize how nonsensical you sound right now. Learning is a characteristic of students. not the Teacher. If you're All-Knowing that means you know everything. Learning is a characteristic of those not All-Knowing. If you're All-Knowing, "learning" is not something of you.
You realize how stoned you sound right now
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 16, 2013 at 9:10 pm
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(November 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm)Sleepy Wrote: If he knows everything what is there to learn?
This is part of my argument.
Quote:Think about that because you're making yourself look like a fool.
Ad hom.
Quote:No thinking atheist would argue what you're saying because it's illogical.
No true scotsman.
Quote:That's my last response to you because it's clear you're in middle/high school still.
Ad hom.
Quote:If you have an actual logical statement or comment let me know
Is God omnipotent? Can he do all things?
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 17, 2013 at 4:09 am
Quote:Jared Diamond, Guns, Germs, and Steel
In the Middle Ages the flow of technology was overwhelmingly from Islam to Europe, rather than from Europe to Islam as it is today. Only around A.D. 1500 did the net direction of flow begin to reverse. -- p. 253
If technological advancements in countries is evidence for a religion of humanity wouldn't that mean Islam stopped being the religion for humanity in the year A.D 1500 by using your logic ?
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RE: Islam IS the true religion of humanity.
November 17, 2013 at 5:22 am
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Quote:In the Middle Ages the flow of technology was overwhelmingly from Islam to Europe, rather than from Europe to Islam as it is today. Only around A.D. 1500 did the net direction of flow begin to reverse.
I don't understand what this, other than an admission that Islam has contributed nothing to the world in half a millennium.
Since the Greeks laid the foundation for modern math, science, medicine and philosophy, maybe we should worship their gods, as if that had fuck all to do with anything.
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