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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 9:23 am
(June 15, 2014 at 2:48 am)ska88 Wrote: But what make you atheist?! I mean what about life after death?! have you ever thought about what will happen to you when you die! Do you really think that you are going to vanish! Does that mean that your life has any meaning to you!??? then why are we here!! and what's the wisdom behind being and producing .. AND death? why are you so sure that some day you are going to die ?? why not trying to find a cure for that?? Reality does not necessarily conform to the things we wish were true. Having realized that god does not exist, I must consider all of those points and how they affect my life and my point of view. But it makes no sense to me to approach them from the other end and then dismiss them by saying that there's a god who will make it all work out somehow. That's the kind of thinking that causes so many people to play the lottery.
(June 15, 2014 at 5:47 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It speaks volumes that a marginally held, contradictory point of view can be the reason that the majority of atheists are atheists. The point of view that 'god doesn't exist' might be marginal, but the concept of not accepting things without sufficient evidence is not. Most people lead every other aspect of their lives using it and only abandon it when it comes to religion. I think that the concept of accepting something where evidence is lacking or extremely flimsy is the marginally held and contradictory point of view.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 10:29 am
The point that empirical evidence alone constitutes reason to believe _anything_ is what is a minority view outside of atheism you'll find.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 10:32 am
(June 15, 2014 at 10:29 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The point that empirical evidence alone constitutes reason to believe _anything_ is what is a minority view outside of atheism you'll find.
Aside from empirical evidence, what else would you like there to be? 
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 10:51 am
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(June 15, 2014 at 10:32 am)Esquilax Wrote: Aside from empirical evidence, what else would you like there to be?
Apparently, because I thunk it and the gooooooooood book tells me so suffices. 
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 11:16 am
(June 15, 2014 at 10:32 am)Esquilax Wrote: Aside from empirical evidence, what else would you like there to be?
The extent of your personal delusion is surprising.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 11:51 am
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(June 15, 2014 at 2:48 am)ska88 Wrote: (June 13, 2014 at 7:07 am)Mr Greene Wrote: So why Islam and not Sikhism?
cuz..
Islam says that God is one.. As does Sikhism.
Quote:Islam answers every question I have.. and still does!
and I'm a curious person who refuse to believe on something without logic or conventions..
Logically following the sequence; Zoroastrianism > Judaism > Christianity > Islam > Sikhism would tend to indicate that Sikhism is the last (or at least latest) in the line of 'revealed' monotheistic religions.
Quote:Islam instigates us to think and learn..
Islam has rules and solutions for any problems
etc etc etc
Simply it satisfies me!
That doesn't mean that I don't believe on other religions that came from God .. cuz we believe that God sent his message and prophets to all nations.. Only that we believe that Islam is the final one since it clarify things and it's sent to all humans in every time...
Instantly demonstrated as false by the development of Sikhism.
So essentially you're saying you never really investigated the question and chose Islam over Sikhism on superficial grounds? Assuming of course that you made any choice and didn't simply follow the culture you were born into.
Quote:But what make you atheist?! I mean what about life after death?! have you ever thought about what will happen to you when you die! Do you really think that you are going to vanish! Does that mean that your life has any meaning to you!??? then why are we here!! and what's the wisdom behind being and producing .. AND death? why are you so sure that some day you are going to die ?? why not trying to find a cure for that??
If you don't believe on God .. and judgment day.. then why do you believe that you can't live forever.. and must die ?!
I'm really confused.. I just want to know what's your view .. about death and such..?!! 
I am an atheist because I can tell that the religious leaders were lying through their teeth, nothing they said stood up to scrutiny.
There is no life or consciousness after death and therefore has no bearing.
I don't believe there are any gods, much less any 'judgment day'.
Death is the ceasing of biological function, there are any number of reasons for this.
There are numerous text books dealing with death and decomposition, even a fair amount of Youtube if you're that interested.
Quote:We are superior creatures.. we are better than the angles.. angles has no choice to make.. but we can ! We can believe or doubts.. refuse or obey
Would you be referring to Anglo-Saxon, Anglo-Danish or Anglo-Indians?
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 12:02 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 11:16 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 15, 2014 at 10:32 am)Esquilax Wrote: Aside from empirical evidence, what else would you like there to be?
The extent of your personal delusion is surprising.
That's not actually an answer. Is this going to be a faith thing again, is that why you're so evasive? 
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 1:14 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 2:48 am)ska88 Wrote: (June 13, 2014 at 7:07 am)Mr Greene Wrote: So why Islam and not Sikhism?
cuz..
Islam says that God is one..
Islam answers every question I have.. and still does!
and I'm a curious person who refuse to believe on something without logic or conventions..
Islam instigates us to think and learn..
Islam has rules and solutions for any problems
etc etc etc
Simply it satisfies me!
That doesn't mean that I don't believe on other religions that came from God .. cuz we believe that God sent his message and prophets to all nations.. Only that we believe that Islam is the final one since it clarify things and it's sent to all humans in every time...
But what make you atheist?! I mean what about life after death?! have you ever thought about what will happen to you when you die! Do you really think that you are going to vanish! Does that mean that your life has any meaning to you!??? then why are we here!! and what's the wisdom behind being and producing .. AND death? why are you so sure that some day you are going to die ?? why not trying to find a cure for that??
If you don't believe on God .. and judgment day.. then why do you believe that you can't live forever.. and must die ?!
I'm really confused.. I just want to know what's your view .. about death and such..?!!
(June 14, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: People can choose their beliefs now?
When did that happen?
of course you can always choose.. ! You are a free man with a free mind
You are smart and have all the tools to study and learn and choose!
No one has the right to prevent you from choosing your own decision .. and even if you were a believer .. Then God himself gave you that option.
We are superior creatures.. we are better than the angles.. angles has no choice to make.. but we can ! We can believe or doubts.. refuse or obey
(June 14, 2014 at 7:09 pm)Broseph Ballin Wrote: To the theists who use arguments like "you have to experience God" and "you have to believe in god to experience him" etc., that is not evidence. This so called feeling of "god" just comes from inside you, and despite the fact that there is no verifiable scientific evidence for the existence of any deity they still choose to believe in it.
There are evidences in the Holly Quran that God exist..
and even without the quran.. or any other book.. I can provide you with many evidences ..
I can provide many .. historical.. medical.. social.. biological.. physical.. evidences .. But the question is! would that make you believe?
to believe in any idea.. not only god existence.. you have to open your heart and mind first and accept that this idea can be true! Then you can search for evidences and make your research.. Then choose wether to or not to believe..
Your god it totally phoney. If my God isn't real than you can be damn sure that your god is a joke. As a former theist I can assure you that what we believe is something we have to work on letting go. It took me at least 5 or 6 posts to let go of my lifelong religion but I finally did it. You can too you friggin moron!
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 2:11 pm
*sigh*
Eye of God
Many believers are bright people. They just haven't turned their critical mind to their faith.
I find it sad that SOBs who become Christian stay SOBs and Christian SOBs who give up faith remain SOBs. Think about it.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 2:14 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 12:02 pm)Esquilax Wrote: That's not actually an answer. Is this going to be a faith thing again, is that why you're so evasive?
What?!?! Frodo is being evasive?!?! I've never known him to behave this way!
No but seriously, if I was discussing with Frodo in real life, It would result in me either punching him in the face or flipping a table and walking out, maybe both.
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