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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 15, 2015 at 7:40 pm
(June 15, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ... It's a shame so many of us Christians do such a poor job explaining or even understanding why we believe what we believe.
Well, have you a good argument?
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm
(June 15, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like Polaris above, I too would like to know which arguments specifically the OP was referring to. I agree, there are a lot of illogical and petty "arguments" for the existence of God. It's a shame so many of us Christians do such a poor job explaining or even understanding why we believe what we believe. Maybe the people who told you what to believe got some bad info from the people who told them what to believe and they relaid it to you?
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm
(June 15, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like Polaris above, I too would like to know which arguments specifically the OP was referring to. I agree, there are a lot of illogical and petty "arguments" for the existence of God. It's a shame so many of us Christians do such a poor job explaining or even understanding why we believe what we believe.
Stick around, you'll see plenty. You'll have to decide for yourself which ones are illogical and petty
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 18, 2015 at 7:42 pm
(June 15, 2015 at 7:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: (June 15, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ... It's a shame so many of us Christians do such a poor job explaining or even understanding why we believe what we believe.
Well, have you a good argument?
My answer to "why do you believe in God:"
First I'd say that I cannot provide concrete, physical proof that God exists. I don't think anyone can, and I think we'd all be better off admitting to that.
I do believe that miracles have happened, but unless one happens right in front of any of you, I cannot claim it as proof.
Though I cannot provide proof of God, I think what convinces me most is the fact that everything couldn't have just come from nothing. I believe in evolution and I believe in the big bang theory. But what happened before the big bang? Where did the "stuff" that exploded come from? In nature, everything comes from something. Things don't just form themselves from nothing. This is something that, to me, cannot possibly be explained by the laws of nature. It leaves me believing that there's something more that.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 18, 2015 at 7:45 pm
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You've been convinced by your own ignorance and lack of imagination? That's the -most- convincing thing about your faith...really?
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 18, 2015 at 7:48 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You've been convinced by your own ignorance and lack of imagination? That's the -most- convincing thing about your faith...really?
I respect your opinion.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 18, 2015 at 7:49 pm
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It's not my opinion..that's what that argument is called, an argument from ignorance, an argument from incredulity.
"I don't know" therefore god.
"I can't believe that -x-" therefore god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Again, as earnestly as before....that's really the most convincing thing, to you, about god? Nothing else comes to mind?
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 18, 2015 at 7:51 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 15, 2015 at 7:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: Well, have you a good argument?
My answer to "why do you believe in God:"
First I'd say that I cannot provide concrete, physical proof that God exists. I don't think anyone can, and I think we'd all be better off admitting to that.
I do believe that miracles have happened, but unless one happens right in front of any of you, I cannot claim it as proof.
Though I cannot provide proof of God, I think what convinces me most is the fact that everything couldn't have just come from nothing. I believe in evolution and I believe in the big bang theory. But what happened before the big bang? Where did the "stuff" that exploded come from? In nature, everything comes from something. Things don't just form themselves from nothing. This is something that, to me, cannot possibly be explained by the laws of nature. It leaves me believing that there's something more that. And yet again we run into the same wall - where did this creator come from? If a complex object such as the universe could only have been designed, where the hell did the infinitely more complex and powerful creator come from? All answers I've ever seen for this boil down to "oh, well god exists outside of reality so he's exempt".
Muleshit. A creator should always be the LAST option considered by a theory, after every possible alternative has been thoroughly and exhaustively debunked. Anything less is a grave betrayal of the power of the human mind.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 7:51 pm)Iroscato Wrote: (June 18, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My answer to "why do you believe in God:"
First I'd say that I cannot provide concrete, physical proof that God exists. I don't think anyone can, and I think we'd all be better off admitting to that.
I do believe that miracles have happened, but unless one happens right in front of any of you, I cannot claim it as proof.
Though I cannot provide proof of God, I think what convinces me most is the fact that everything couldn't have just come from nothing. I believe in evolution and I believe in the big bang theory. But what happened before the big bang? Where did the "stuff" that exploded come from? In nature, everything comes from something. Things don't just form themselves from nothing. This is something that, to me, cannot possibly be explained by the laws of nature. It leaves me believing that there's something more that. And yet again we run into the same wall - where did this creator come from? If a complex object such as the universe could only have been designed, where the hell did the infinitely more complex and powerful creator come from? All answers I've ever seen for this boil down to "oh, well god exists outside of reality so he's exempt".
Muleshit. A creator should always be the LAST option considered by a theory, after every possible alternative has been thoroughly and exhaustively debunked. Anything less is a grave betrayal of the power of the human mind.
Hi Iroscato. That's a fair point.
To believe in God is to believe that He is a supernatural being. Everything in nature came from something. The supernatural, though, is not bound by the laws of nature.
What are your personal theories regarding this, btw?
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 18, 2015 at 8:00 pm
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No personal theory need be applied. It's special pleading. It doesn't work. But, more elaborately, and specifically to this notion, that logic could reveal or inform us as to the nature of the supernatural (lol, what a turn)- Logic, proper argument, depends upon observations of relationships and behaviors in this, natural world. There's no reason to trust -good logic- based upon observations of the natural world......when it comes to conclusions regarding a supernatural one.
(you're in a thread about arguments for the existence of god...........)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special_pleading
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