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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:08 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 9:56 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Delicate Wrote: Are you sure you're not called SnakeOilWarrior because of a lifetime spent defending SnakeOil salesmen?
If I dismiss something, I always provide a reason for it. If you can't engage with my reasoning, you will absolutely fail to connect with my reasons in any way, and resort to calling me intellectually dishonest.
And what do you know, that's what you've done!
You're not shaping up to look like the sharpest tool in this shed, buddy. Start by engaging with what I've said, and what reasons I've laid out for them.
Use some sound reasoning and I'll try to engage. So far, you've show a dearth of it...
Where has my reasoning been unsound?
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:25 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 9:49 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 8:06 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Nope...Dawkins
Yeah.... No. Dawkins doesn't believe this either. If you really believe he does, your understanding of evolution is as weak as GC's.
Wow.... So Dawkins doesn't believe his own fairly tales..... Yet people still follow them based on what is written in their holy book.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Now that... that's willful.
It's not that the strawman version of Dawkins is wrong, no! It's that "Dawkins doesn't believe his own fairy tales".
That goes beyond blind to willfully ignorant.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 10:08 pm)Delicate Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 9:56 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Use some sound reasoning and I'll try to engage. So far, you've show a dearth of it...
Where has my reasoning been unsound?
Fucking everywhere.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:34 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 10:25 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 9:49 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Yeah.... No. Dawkins doesn't believe this either. If you really believe he does, your understanding of evolution is as weak as GC's.
Wow.... So Dawkins doesn't believe his own fairly tales..... Yet people still follow them based on what is written in their holy book.
Why don't you educate yourself on what Dawkins actually believes before straw manning his position?
Or does he use too many big words for you?
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:46 pm
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(October 27, 2015 at 9:46 pm)Delicate Wrote: (October 26, 2015 at 7:47 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: You mean that lack of: demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic is not enough to disbelieve the god claim?
Please elaborate.
And while you are at it, please elaborate on the rational basis you utilize to explain why you disbelieve in: alien abductions, dowsing, crystal healing, ancient aliens, Tarot card reading, etc, etc. Assuming you disbelieve in some or all of he above, of course.
Glad to elaborate.
You see, what you just did there? "You mean that lack of: demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic is not enough to disbelieve the god claim?" That's called a baseless assertion. Or atheist dogma. The kind of thing atheists believe on blind faith.
You see what I said in my post? "Very few of the posts I've seen here so far contain a rational basis for rejecting religion."
That was me, predicting exactly the kind of atheist fairy tales you and your ilk like to spew.
Now go ahead, substantiate your claim with reasons and evidence. Show me you're smarter than the average bear. Steal my picnic basket, Yogi.
I made no baseless assertion.
My comment is in response to the assertion made by theists, that at least one god exists.
I do not have to assert anything to defend my position. The 1000's of years of lack of demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid and sound logic is all I need.
If you have anything that passes the above criteria for the god you claim exists, open a new thread and present it.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:50 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 8:03 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Cecelia Wrote: There are plenty of good reasons for rejecting religion. Enough claims by the Bible are so ludicrous and impossible that one can easily reject them. The stories are nothing more than fantasy, with absolutely nothing backing them up. There's absolutely nothing irrational about that. The stories in the bible are nothing more than stories. There's no more reason to believe them, than there is to believe that the moon is made of cheese, that Harry Potter saved us from Lord Voldemort, or that there are tiny people running around in wheels powering our entire electrical system.
You forgot in your list, fish deciding to grow legs to come out of the sea, to eat and have sex. Some people will believe anything!
Evolution is not like what you see in Pokemon games. For your own sake, please stop talking about a topic you have no understanding of before you embarrass yourself further.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:51 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 9:46 pm)Delicate Wrote: Glad to elaborate.
You see, what you just did there? "You mean that lack of: demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic is not enough to disbelieve the god claim?" That's called a baseless assertion. Or atheist dogma. The kind of thing atheists believe on blind faith.
You see what I said in my post? "Very few of the posts I've seen here so far contain a rational basis for rejecting religion."
That was me, predicting exactly the kind of atheist fairy tales you and your ilk like to spew.
Now go ahead, substantiate your claim with reasons and evidence. Show me you're smarter than the average bear. Steal my picnic basket, Yogi.
I made no baseless assertion.
My comment is in response to the assertion made by theists, that at least one god exists.
I do not have to assert anything to defend my position. The 1000's of years of lack of demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid and sound logic is all I need.
If you have anything that passes the above criteria for the god you claim exists, open a new thread and present it.
Actually you do have to assert something to defend your position. You have to assert that all the arguments for God that have ever been provided fail to amount to either demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, or valid and sound logic.
Isn't that what you're saying?
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:53 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 10:51 pm)Delicate Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: I made no baseless assertion.
My comment is in response to the assertion made by theists, that at least one god exists.
I do not have to assert anything to defend my position. The 1000's of years of lack of demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid and sound logic is all I need.
If you have anything that passes the above criteria for the god you claim exists, open a new thread and present it.
Actually you do have to assert something to defend your position. You have to assert that all the arguments for God that have ever been provided fail to amount to either demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, or valid and sound logic.
Isn't that what you're saying?
Yes, but they are not baseless assertions.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 27, 2015 at 10:54 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Irrational Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 8:03 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You forgot in your list, fish deciding to grow legs to come out of the sea, to eat and have sex. Some people will believe anything!
Evolution is not like what you see in Pokemon games. For your own sake, please stop talking about a topic you have no understanding of before you embarrass yourself further.
If you want to believe in magic fairy tales of fish walking out of the water, and what history has never recorded anyone seeing.... Don't let my reason stop you!
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