Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Cyberman]

uh?

You're basing your whole argument on "likely"??

What this study didn't tell you is the fact that under that city it is likely that there is an other city even older.

Haven't you heard? It's turtles all the way down.

[Chas]

uh?

You're basing your whole argument on "likely"??

Haven't you heard? It's turtles all the way down.

Turtles doing yoga?

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1) I am basing my claims on the connection that exist among Shiva, yoga, the svastika, the sanskrit language and the mantra.
2) These days when they build something first they pull down the previous construction and the debris are removed so no trace of previous structure remain.
This didn't happen in the past that is why in such an old place like Varanasi is still possible to find traces of previous civilization.

Your argument is equivalent to:

The United States stretches across the North American continent.
The North American continent has been around for 80 million years.
Therefore, the United States has been around for 80 million years.
And there are rocks even older, so that proves it.

[Cyberman]

No, more like cities built on older ones ad infinitum. The quoted bit from Prik's post gave the context.

[Angrboda]

What this study didn't tell you is the fact that under that city it is likely that there is an other city even older.

To which study are you referring? I'd like to verify that it didn't tell us that for myself. Or are you just pulling shit from your ass?

The earliest known archaeological evidence suggests that settlement around Varanasi in the Ganga valley (the seat of Vedic religion and philosophy) began in the 11th or 12th century BC, placing it among the world's oldest continually inhabited cities. ... It is possible that archaeological evidence of these previous inhabitants has yet to be discovered. Recent excavations at Aktha and Ramnagar, two sites very near to Varanasi, show them to be from 1800 BC, suggesting Varanasi started to be inhabited by that time too.

Wikipedia | Varanasi

Do you know what the word 'excavation' means, Riketto?

It is for this reason the archaeologists of the Banaras Hindu University commenced their academic pursuit from the excavation of RAJGHAT (ancient Varanasi).

Important Archaeological Discoveries by the Banaras Hindu University
Referenced by the Wikipedia article

[genkaus]

The only sub-case that you put up was a study that said that Varanasi is not older than 4000 years.

To prove my point that the temples you were referring to couldn't be older than that - you see how this works, I make a claim and I provide evidence to back it up. Now you try it.

What this study didn't tell you is the fact that under that city it is likely that there is an other city even older.

Even if there was, and there is no evidence that there is, the temples of Varanasi would still be less than 4000 years old - if that.

Your small vision may let you think that a place like Varanasi is similar to the cities in north America or Australia where the local civilization never was able to build cities so what you see these days in NY or LA is a single layer of build up and under this layer there is nothing else.
Different cultures build up different things so you can not really compare Varanasi with NY or LA.

Non-sequitur.

The connection among Shiva, the svastika, the sanskrit language and the mantra is there, they all go hand in hand.

You haven't been able to prove that so far. But do keep trying.

You make a statement that is all a religious thing but Shiva never teach religion.

Ofcourse not - because he didn't exist. But he is a religious figure which makes all thins related to him religious things.

[Tonus]

You haven't been able to prove that so far. But do keep trying.

I was going to say that I wouldn't describe what he is doing as "trying," but I admit that I do find his methods to be quite trying at times.

[genkaus]

Under most of the cities in these places have found remains of previous civilization.

And unless you can provide evidence that this previous civilization practiced yoga or spoke Sanskrit or worshiped a yoga practicing version of Shiva - all your arguments have fallen flat.

The chances that under the actual Varanasi there is nothing are remote or nil but maybe there can be a chance outside 99.99% of the probabilities that is why i said likely.

What exactly are you basing this probability on? I need to see some calculations.

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1) I am basing my claims on the connection that exist among Shiva, yoga, the svastika, the sanskrit language and the mantra.

That connection would be that they are all parts of Hinduism. That's insufficient to establish a timeline - for that, you'd need more.

2) These days when they build something first they pull down the previous construction and the debris are removed so no trace of previous structure remain.
This didn't happen in the past that is why in such an old place like Varanasi is still possible to find traces of previous civilization.

Well, then, get your shovel and start digging instead of shoveling manure here.

[Little Rik]

The only sub-case that you put up was a study that said that Varanasi is not older than 4000 years.

To prove my point that the temples you were referring to couldn't be older than that - you see how this works, I make a claim and I provide evidence to back it up. Now you try it.

Your claim that Varanasi is not older than 4000 years does mean anything.
After few thousand years buildings start crumbling.
Those who make that study were clever enough to find temples dating back 4000 years.
Look at the colosseum which is about 2000 years.
Half is already crumbled down and the rest stand up thanks to continuous restoration otherwise even that would have gone by now.
No wonder that the experts find difficult to go behind the limit of 4000 years.
In the near future i am sure that new technologies will be able to go behind that limit and find out the real age of Varanasi.

What this study didn't tell you is the fact that under that city it is likely that there is an other city even older.

Even if there was, and there is no evidence that there is, the temples of Varanasi would still be less than 4000 years old - if that.

Give time and new studies and new technologies will uncover the real age.

Non-sequitur.

Non-sequitur.

The connection among Shiva, the svastika, the sanskrit language and the mantra is there, they all go hand in hand.

You haven't been able to prove that so far. But do keep trying.

Very strange indeed.
To practice yoga meditation you sit in the lotus posture which is the way Shiva is represented.
To practice meditation you breath in and out by focusing on the mantra which is part of the sanskrit alphabet.
The pratik with the svastika which is the symbol of spiritual victory is wear by those who practice yoga.
So all goes hand in hand and all is connected whether you agree or not.
http://www.varanasicity.com/sanskrit.html

You make a statement that is all a religious thing but Shiva never teach religion.

Ofcourse not - because he didn't exist. But he is a religious figure which makes all thins related to him religious things.

Try to be more coherent.
When i say that Shiva was there 7000 years ago you asked me for evidence.
Now you make a statement in which you say that Shiva never existed.
Can you be consistent with your arguments and give me the evidence that Shiva never existed?

[FatAndFaithless]

Give time and new studies and new technologies will uncover the real age.

And until then, your claims are unjustified.

[Little Rik]

Give time and new studies and new technologies will uncover the real age.

And until then, your claims are unjustified.

And until then your counterclaim are also unjustified but in the meantime everything make sense to me as the meditation open up more hidden consciousness.