Miracle

[bennyboy]

Yes, because people at that time had invented both language and means of travel. Some of them certainly (I'm talking 100% chance here) traveled to seas and lakes and met people who knew things about them.

Since they mentioned it in the Quran, then I would say there's a 100% chance they either knew first-hand about the halocline, or from the reported experiences of others. Yes, absolutely.

Lack of evidence leads people to chance conspiracies to guard their ego and dignity from ignominy.

And the combination of lack of evidence, lack of clarity, and biased speculation leads people to make miracles out of molehills.

Correct! I “do not deny that Quran Claims that the only thing holding up birds is Allah.”

God has created wind and wings and taught how to fly by giving birds the innate skills therefore God is holding birds in the sky. Do people not literally hold Air Drones in the sky?

No, they do not literally hold Air Drones in the sky. The laws of physics do that.

Without wings, wind, or skill no bird can fly. Ostrich is a bird but cannot fly.

. . . so God?

Man is helpless to have wings like birds and fly like birds even after having all scientific knowhow. This helplessness does not mean that people have lost their desires to fly like birds. Hollywood movies reflect these desires in a compelling manner. Be sure the day man would learn how to grow wings he will grow them straightaway.

This is goofy talk. Here's your problem. . . you believe that God exists, and that the Quran is a miracle. You cannot demonstrate that God exists, and it is clear to any non-muslim that the Quran is not a miracle. Do you think that spouting on about man's desire to have wings changes either of these simple truths?

Harris Wrote:
Who has the power to create air and to give wings to the birds?

Bennyboy wrote:
Stars / evolution.

Nobody knows why the universe exists. However, obvious fairy tales are obvious, and do not represent an answer to that question.

You say Nature and everything in it (including people) happened because of stars (Supernova) consequently I say that stars have reason and purpose of their existence. Without atoms and forces stars could not have come into existence therefore, atoms and forces have reason and purpose of their existence.

You are confusing "things that happen" with "purpose." That's like saying the purpose of the Earth is to make me go splat! if I jump off a building.

In short, everything is contingent upon the distinctive circumstances of their existence. In this obvious actuality of contingencies, it is absurd to assert that universe is not a contingent being. Universe is dependent and so far, it requires a support, the exigence of necessary being is preordained. Only God is necessary existence, whose essence is identical with his existence.

You state as brute fact things which are not facts. You argue that the universe is supported by God. . . and yet you have no evidence either that the universe is supported or that the God of the Quran is that support. This is the problem with believing in fairy tales-- it must necessarily substitute word salad for simple observation.