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Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
(August 13, 2015 at 7:43 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(August 13, 2015 at 7:33 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Parkers dear Parkers, here's some info about the census on wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)

Religious part is quoted:


Bear in mind that additional reading is required but this is a pretty decent exposure of the mentality going on - This isn't about people killing in the name of atheism as we understand it today but about promoting state atheism and rejecting people who believe in anything other than dialectic materialism. They killed in the name of atheism and in the name of marxism, but it isn't atheism as we define it today - Arguably, it isn't marxism as defined by many marxists today. People don't share blame for what their ancestors did, so no worries there. Of course not every source will admit that these people would be executed right away, but we know that opponents of the regime, which were people who didn't share the whole common ideology, could be sent to gulags right away, or even for no reason.

The thing is, though, you strongly implied that being faithful was treated as treason -- i.e., a death sentence -- when such was not the case.  

"Opponents of the regime" is the larger set, and "religious people" was a very tiny subset there, was my point. Arguing that people were sent away "for no reason" does not in any way support your point, because obviously sending someone away on religious grounds is sending them away for a reason.  By widening the point, you're diffusing the discussion, and making it harder to address your point, but it doesn't make your point more valid.

And the quote you posted doesn't support the point you made earlier that religious people would have to be "taken care of".  All that quote demonstrates is that the answer discomfited the government, and they stopped asking the question.  That is a significant difference, and you should acknowledge as much.

My primary source before quoting the wiki is a marxist friend of mine, who I assumed to be correct because he is very devout and reads all kind of marxist literature - Mistakes are more likely because when you hear something from someone you may eventually forget parts or even confuse things, so I apologize for that. 

You should note that the fact the government didn't ask the question anymore means they didn't see religion as a part of their agenda, quite the opposite, it's something they were against and Lenin himself had views hostile towards religion but not asking the question was a need because too many people were theists. Of course I exaggerated rated by saying those people would be executed right away, sorry - But it's certainly one of the many reasons the government could be hostile towards you, kinda like if you were pro USA during the harshest cold war years.

Wiki also helps confirming that religious persecution and anti-religion hatred wasn't just against one tiny group:

Quote:The USSR anti-religious campaign of 1928–1941 was a new phase of anti-religious persecution in the Soviet Union following theanti-religious campaign of 1921–1928. The campaign began in 1929, with the drafting of new legislation that severely prohibited religious activities and called for a heightened attack on religion in order to further disseminate atheism. This had been preceded in 1928 at the fifteenth party congress, where Joseph Stalin criticized the party for failure to produce more active and persuasive anti-religious propaganda. This new phase coincided with the beginning of the forced mass collectivization of agriculture and the nationalization of the few remaining private enterprises.
Many of those who had been arrested in the 1920s would continue to remain in prison throughout the 1930s and beyond.
The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of faithful. Nearly all of its clergy, and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labour camps. Theological schools were closed, and church publications were prohibited.[1] More than 85,000 Orthodox priests were shot in 1937 alone.[2] Only a twelfth of the Russian Orthodox Church's priests were left functioning in their parishes by 1941.[3]




Be aware that this was the second campaign against religious so there was another in 1921


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928%E2%80%9341)


To say that atheism as a more desirable position for the State had nothing to do with this is extremely dishonest and Stalin specifically saw atheism as a better position on the existence of gods, and so did the party and the bolcheviks as a general rule (certainly there were exceptions)
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian - by Dystopia - August 13, 2015 at 7:58 pm
RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian - by GUBU - August 13, 2016 at 10:53 am
RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian - by Lek - August 12, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian - by GUBU - August 14, 2016 at 10:58 am

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