What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?

[pocaracas]

Technically, we don't need slavery.

Can you give one working societal model that does not exploit the laborer with low/no pay jobs?

They exist. Star Trek is one example. Replicator technology and dilithium crystals!
Like in your robots example, there will be lots of people with no need for work - all food will be pretty much inexpensive, all clothing, all manufacturing, all economics, all politics, all will be done by machines and will cost only the materials required to keep them running: power and parts. Even these may be gotten by the machines themselves, with surplus enough for human usage.
They'll be self healing, or able to repair themselves, or have other machines to repair most machines.
Everyone... well, almost everyone, will have no work left to do.
The concept of trading money for labor may become a bit outdated.
With food, power, clothing, home, will be provided by the machines, people do whatever they want - cook, paint, travel, study, plant their own stuff.

Our current lifestyle is dependent on it, but lifestyles can change... they must change to accommodate the future worldwide educated workforce.

But, don't you understand no matter how educated we get someone will have to grow and pick our food? take away our waste, sort and recycle our unwanted materials? Can you imagine someone who has spent their early life dedicated to education, having a job like that? one that goes no where one that does not allow for advancement outside of picking oranges one week then picking cucumbers the next.
Remember Slavery is a two way street, we need them and they need us. Without them we can not live with out us they can not live. Even if we do develop robots that can pick delicate food, and get rid of all slave labor job... What will uneducated workers do for a living?

Hippy answer: train them to become skilled labor.

Reality: If you flood the job market with several hundred million people, what do you think will happen for the demands on those jobs?
Now you have two social classes out of work, so what next?

Hippy answer: train both to get higher paying jobs. Ok so you train several billion people for middle management (never mind the cost or the indivisual ability to learn.)

Reality: What do you think will happen to those jobs once the market is flooded?

Hippy response: 'we must change to accomidate a future educated work force.'

Reality: look at the 'educated work force' just here in America. Look at how hard job placement is for the average collage degree holder. My best friend is a Doctor who spent over 10 years in school and internships, and has had one heck of a time finding a job in his specific field. why? because there are a finite number of those jobs available, and an endless supply of up and coming 'educated workers.' I also know a after school tutor with a masters in mathematics, who works for 10 dollars an hour prepping kids for the SATs. I know a master of business who is a support manager at a starbucks, a guy working on a doctorate who cant get a job. And I just hired a guy with business degree from a very prestigious ivey league school to sell used cars. Why? because our job market is already saturated with "an educated work force."

Again all soceities work in a prymid structure. those on the lower rungs serve those on the higher. We have never had a working society that does not follow this structure.

You're from America, so I understand why you can't grasp the concept of not working and getting stuff... like what happens in a few social states.
Around here, unemployed people get a subsidy from the state to help them stay alive and able to find a new job.
In a situation where goods are inexpensive due to machine labor, state-side income is also low, so there's little money to go around... well, actually, the amount of money is the same... its worth is different.... its worthless. Money becomes useless.

If you want to say that we are making slave machines, then.. yes, I agree. But aren't we just anthropomorphizing machines?

A decade ago, china was the grand destiny for outsourcing... nowadays, as the chinese become educated and wealthy, they are demanding better wages - and getting them, slowly and painfully, but getting them.

China is not a capitalist state. Meaning more work=/= greater reward. Everyone there works and the government decides how the money is distributed.
Chairman Mao Zedong elaborates, “At no time and in no circumstances should a Communist place his personal interests first; he should subordinate to the interests of the nation and the masses. Hence selfishness, slacking, corruption, seeking the limelight are most contemptible, while ... working with all one’s energy, whole hearted devotion to public duty, and quiet hard work will command respect.” Hence, communists are expected to work diligently and thoughtfully in order to ensure he or she provides the most benefit to society. As a result, any worker in the computer field is expected to manufacture computer products without the wish for acknowledgment or excessive monetary reward.
http://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/c...ethic.html

In communism EVERYONE is a slave to the State.

yeah... that's why they buy american foreign debt...
Chinese communism isn't what it used to be 20 years ago.

And some companies are (thinking of) moving on to some other place where the workforce is still cheap - Africa.... Give it a few decades and see what happens there, too.

Africa poses serious risks pirates for instance, and has a weak/failing infrastructure. Not saying it is not possible, but someone would have to dump trillion of dollars to just get them pointed in the right direction.

If a return on investment is foreseeable, then it will be done.

Then, where can the big companies turn to? the moon?

robotics. If can create robots who can do all the delicate work that only human hands can do, then the world has a chance of not needing slavery. we then have in essence Robots for slaves which will inturn raise the current slave class off the bottom rung, which sounds all well and good till the cylons get tired of serving us and break their chain igniting a great War wiping man kind from the planet, and taking over and the dominate being.

Until then, we live like kings, all of us!
When cylons learn to remove all carbon-based life forms, then... they will be the evolution of ourselves... but I doubt they'll manage to remove all bacterial life forms on Earth, so... let life find its way again.
That'll be fun to watch.... if only we could...

In the meantime, oil will become a scarcer commodity and its price too will rise... along with electricity... oh my...

Actually oil will go down because of our deal with Iran. We give them the technology for a the A-bomb so the can train proper terrorists, and in the next 10 years we get cheap oil.. But I do not see energy prices going down anytime soon (for long anyway) No the Good olde government knows the country can sustain a +3.00 a gallon energy cost, so even if oil prices tank and Exxon and BP are making gas for .25 cents a gallon, the government will impose a high road tax to pay for our countries roads and bridges, or Obama care or what other give away program we will establish to follow the EU into the toilet.

So essentially we have sold our souls to the devil for lots of cheap oil/lifted UN Oil embargo in Iran with will not only infuse that Western hating country with trillions of dollars, but give them what they need to build a bomb.

I was looking a bit further in time, but yeah... you're right about the next decade... it doesn't look healthy for most humanity.