Miracle

[bennyboy]

Exactly wrong. Science is an organized system of physical observation and inquiry. Therefore, if the "facts" in the Quran are science, they were made by people making physical observations-- the exact opposite of miracle. Here are the possibilities as I see them:

The writers of the Quran knew some things, or knew people who knew some things, and included them in the Quran.

You are repeating the same mistake on and on. These scientific facts are not trivial even in today’s world. How comes someone have found these facts in seventh century and remained indifferent to them.

The scientific facts AS WE KNOW THEM are not trivial. The shitty explanations given in the Quran about mud turning to semen turning to blood clots is not only trivial. . . it can be observed in autopsy, stillbirths, etc. It's also factually imprecise.

The writers of the Quran said a bunch of things that you or others interpret as science, but which only appear so to you because of confirmation bias.

I had given you nine verses. Selects any verse of your choice and prove it a misrepresentation of the real scientific fact.

I didn't say there was any misrepresentation. I'm saying you are reading into the Quran modern knowledge which the actual words in that text do not demonstrate those writers to have had. What they DID have was eyes and language-- and their observations are consistent with that.

Modern educated person should concentrate on the morals and human values, which is the real message of Quran in place of searching means of somatic comfort in it.

Morals like jihad? Like torture? Like subjugating women? I'll pass.

It was not in the competence of seventh century people to write anything about modern scientific discoveries. People were able to make these modern discoveries only with the help of special scientific tools and equipment, which were not available to ancient people. You cannot bring real evidence to support the idea that ancient people had the knowledge about present day scientific facts and exactly that inability of yours is the proof that Quran is a Miracle.

I never said they had knowledge about specific scientific facts. I said they had eyes. They could see, for example, that where a river runs into the ocean, there seems to be a line which divides the two bodies (specifially, by their differences in color). I've been to the ocean, and this is a simple and common sight. You apparently have not been to such a place, or know anyone who has, or you wouldn't think it was a miracle.

Just bring one evidence showing that someone had put all that scientific information in Quran in seventh century.

Stop calling clay and blood clots "scientific information." It doesn't require science. . . just simple observation. The things you keep calling miracles are a mix of observations and conjecture. . . some of which seems to be basically correct, and some of which (as in the case of foetus development) is a little off. This is consistent with smart and educated guys at a time in which scientific tools were too primivite to make more precise observations.

Again repeating, out of nine verses choose any verse of your choice and show that it is not speaking about real Science of today’s world.

None of it. It's a combination of observation and conjecture, and you haven't demonstrated in any capacity the source of those observations and conjectures. All you done is make a question-begging assumption: that the people of the time were too primitive to know anything, so if they knew anything, it must have come from God. My position is that the ideas first of all don't really demonstrate any deep knowledge of the subjects you are talking about, and secondly that what they DID know is consistent with their powers of observation at the time.

My position: they wrote what they knew.
Your position: they couldn't know anything, therefore God.

My position is far simpler and more supportable than yours, and no amount of word salad, special pleading or unfounded assumptions on your part will change that.