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HELL
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HELL
Hi yall. Let me start off by saying I don't think it's healthy to focus too much on this subject, regardless of whether you believe in it or not.  Shy

However, what prompted me to write this post was all the talk and questions I see in regards to the belief in Hell. I've explained my views a little bit, by saying that 1. I don't believe Hell is a physical place, 2. I don't believe God "throws" people into Hell, and 3. I believe Hell is the state of being by an individual who has rejected goodness and love, thus rejecting God Himself (since I believe God is those things).

Another belief I have that has been speculated by a few theologians but is not mentioned in the article, is that upon dying, every person gets a final chance to "meet" with God, if you will. And from there they make a conscious and informed decision to either reject or accept Him. (And by accepting or rejecting Him, they are accepting or rejecting love and goodness. So the state of rejection is Hell, the state of acceptance is Heaven.)   

I figured it might be useful to me to lay it all out here so everyone understands where I stand, and so I can refer people back to this post when I get questions or comments regarding Hell. 

Here is a snippet from the article:

Quote:By their account, hell is best understood as the condition of total alienation from all that is good, hopeful and loving in the world. What's more, this condition is chosen by the damned themselves, the ultimate exercise of free will, not a punishment engineered by God.

Hell ''is not a 'place' but a 'state,' a person's 'state of being,' in which a person suffers from the deprivation of God,'' declared La Civilta Cattolica, an influential Jesuit magazine based in Rome and closely tied to the Vatican, in a long editorial in July.

The magazine also stated that it is not God who inflicts pain ''through angels or demons as is illustrated in many paintings or is read in the 'Divine Comedy,' '' but the sinner who triggers his own punishment by deliberately rejecting God's grace, thereby entering a great state of pain.

For those interested in reading more: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/18/arts/h...gewanted=1

(The silly part is that the title calls this view a "makeover" but the article goes on to say this view is nothing new in the Church lol)
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 7:16 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - August 31, 2015 at 7:20 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 7:25 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - August 31, 2015 at 7:44 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - August 31, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:13 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - September 2, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - August 31, 2015 at 10:38 pm
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - August 31, 2015 at 10:34 pm
RE: HELL - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - August 31, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - September 2, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: HELL - by Cyberman - August 31, 2015 at 7:28 pm
HELL - by KUSA - August 31, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: HELL - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 7:42 pm
RE: HELL - by Clueless Morgan - August 31, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: HELL - by Clueless Morgan - August 31, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - September 2, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: HELL - by Longhorn - September 3, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: HELL - by Longhorn - September 3, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: HELL - by Lemonvariable72 - September 2, 2015 at 6:22 pm
RE: HELL - by Clueless Morgan - September 1, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - September 1, 2015 at 11:04 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: HELL - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 31, 2015 at 7:45 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - August 31, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 8:25 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - August 31, 2015 at 8:34 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - August 31, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - August 31, 2015 at 10:41 pm
RE: HELL - by pocaracas - September 1, 2015 at 5:24 am
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - August 31, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: HELL - by IATIA - August 31, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: HELL - by Cyberman - August 31, 2015 at 7:51 pm
HELL - by KUSA - August 31, 2015 at 8:24 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - August 31, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - August 31, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 9:40 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - August 31, 2015 at 10:16 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - August 31, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 9:51 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - September 1, 2015 at 9:38 am
RE: HELL - by Neo-Scholastic - August 31, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - August 31, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: HELL - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 8:40 pm
RE: HELL - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: HELL - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: HELL - by Iroscato - August 31, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 9:27 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - August 31, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: HELL - by The Valkyrie - August 31, 2015 at 10:29 pm
RE: HELL - by Neo-Scholastic - August 31, 2015 at 10:42 pm
RE: HELL - by The Valkyrie - August 31, 2015 at 10:45 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - August 31, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - August 31, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 1, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 1, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 1, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 1, 2015 at 2:05 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - August 31, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - August 31, 2015 at 11:16 pm
RE: HELL - by The Valkyrie - August 31, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 1, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 1, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 1, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 1, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 2, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 1, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 1, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: HELL - by Cyberman - September 1, 2015 at 11:56 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:07 am
RE: HELL - by KevinM1 - September 1, 2015 at 9:04 am
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - August 31, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: HELL - by Cecelia - August 31, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:09 am
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 1, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - September 1, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: HELL - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - September 1, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: HELL - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: HELL - by pocaracas - September 1, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: HELL - by Iroscato - September 1, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: HELL - by pocaracas - September 1, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: HELL - by Iroscato - September 1, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - September 1, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - September 1, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: HELL - by Cecelia - September 1, 2015 at 12:24 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:48 am
RE: HELL - by Redbeard The Pink - September 1, 2015 at 1:34 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: HELL - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 1, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: HELL - by downbeatplumb - September 5, 2015 at 4:49 am
RE: HELL - by Cecelia - September 5, 2015 at 1:50 pm
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 6, 2015 at 2:26 am
RE: HELL - by downbeatplumb - September 6, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 6, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: HELL - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 8, 2015 at 8:27 pm
RE: HELL - by KevinM1 - September 22, 2015 at 1:16 am
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 22, 2015 at 2:16 am
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 1, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: HELL - by Fake Messiah - September 1, 2015 at 1:56 am
RE: HELL - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 1, 2015 at 2:58 am
RE: HELL - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 4:12 am
RE: HELL - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 1, 2015 at 4:39 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: HELL - by Homeless Nutter - September 1, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: HELL - by Homeless Nutter - September 1, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: HELL - by Homeless Nutter - September 1, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: HELL - by Homeless Nutter - September 1, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - September 1, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: HELL - by Cecelia - September 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 6, 2015 at 2:23 am
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 1, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: HELL - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 1, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 5:33 am
RE: HELL - by ignoramus - September 1, 2015 at 5:54 am
RE: HELL - by KevinM1 - September 1, 2015 at 7:41 am
RE: HELL - by Crossless1 - September 1, 2015 at 10:02 am
HELL - by KUSA - September 1, 2015 at 7:47 am
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 9:13 am
RE: HELL - by Neo-Scholastic - September 1, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: HELL - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 1, 2015 at 5:43 pm
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: HELL - by Clueless Morgan - September 1, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: HELL - by Divinity - September 1, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: HELL - by pocaracas - September 1, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: HELL - by Iroscato - September 1, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - September 1, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: HELL - by downbeatplumb - September 1, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: HELL - by drfuzzy - September 1, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - September 1, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: HELL - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 1, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 6:00 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: HELL - by Cyberman - September 1, 2015 at 10:01 pm
RE: HELL - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2015 at 10:03 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - September 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm
RE: HELL - by Crossless1 - September 2, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: HELL - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 2, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: HELL - by rexbeccarox - September 2, 2015 at 2:16 pm
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - September 2, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: HELL - by Godschild - September 2, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: HELL - by rexbeccarox - September 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: HELL - by The Valkyrie - September 2, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: HELL - by Crossless1 - September 2, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 6, 2015 at 2:21 am
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 6, 2015 at 2:17 am
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - September 2, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: HELL - by Nay_Sayer - September 1, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 2, 2015 at 12:59 am
RE: HELL - by IATIA - September 2, 2015 at 1:21 am
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 2, 2015 at 1:45 am
RE: HELL - by rexbeccarox - September 2, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - September 2, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: HELL - by Ravenshire - September 2, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: HELL - by Crossless1 - September 3, 2015 at 9:49 am
RE: HELL - by abaris - September 3, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 2, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: HELL - by The Valkyrie - September 2, 2015 at 6:27 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 2, 2015 at 7:15 pm
RE: HELL - by The Valkyrie - September 2, 2015 at 10:04 pm
RE: HELL - by LostLocke - September 3, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 3, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: HELL - by Redbeard The Pink - September 2, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 6, 2015 at 2:16 am
RE: HELL - by Cyberman - September 3, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: HELL - by Longhorn - September 3, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 3, 2015 at 11:30 am
RE: HELL - by IATIA - September 3, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: HELL - by CapnAwesome - September 3, 2015 at 6:14 pm
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 3, 2015 at 6:19 pm
RE: HELL - by ignoramus - September 3, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: HELL - by CapnAwesome - September 3, 2015 at 10:16 pm
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 4, 2015 at 2:20 am
RE: HELL - by MTL - September 4, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: HELL - by ignoramus - September 4, 2015 at 2:38 am
RE: HELL - by Longhorn - September 6, 2015 at 4:10 am
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 4, 2015 at 3:32 am
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 5, 2015 at 4:22 am
RE: HELL - by Grandizer - September 6, 2015 at 2:31 am
RE: HELL - by Whateverist - September 6, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 6, 2015 at 2:53 am
RE: HELL - by Longhorn - September 6, 2015 at 3:49 am
RE: HELL - by Longhorn - September 6, 2015 at 4:06 am
RE: HELL - by Spooky - September 6, 2015 at 3:30 pm
RE: HELL - by pocaracas - September 6, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: HELL - by MysticKnight - September 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: HELL - by pocaracas - September 8, 2015 at 6:27 am
RE: HELL - by Ben Davis - September 8, 2015 at 7:18 am
RE: HELL - by robvalue - September 9, 2015 at 1:45 am
RE: HELL - by Orchids - September 20, 2015 at 12:22 pm
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - September 22, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: HELL - by Catholic_Lady - September 22, 2015 at 1:34 am
RE: HELL - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 22, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: HELL - by Minimalist - September 22, 2015 at 2:02 am
RE: HELL - by The Grand Nudger - September 22, 2015 at 2:30 am
RE: HELL - by Reforged - September 22, 2015 at 4:26 am
RE: HELL - by Nay_Sayer - September 22, 2015 at 7:07 pm
RE: HELL - by houseofcantor - September 22, 2015 at 9:14 pm
RE: HELL - by Thumpalumpacus - September 22, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: HELL - by RobbyPants - October 7, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: HELL - by abaris - October 7, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: HELL - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 7, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: HELL - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 6:38 pm
RE: HELL - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: HELL - by dyresand - October 7, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: HELL - by Homeless Nutter - October 8, 2015 at 12:05 am
RE: HELL - by goodwithoutgod - October 9, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: HELL - by ignoramus - October 9, 2015 at 9:53 pm
RE: HELL - by robvalue - October 9, 2015 at 9:57 pm

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