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[Godscreated]

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Because God asks the Israelites to do certain things discredits the Bible, are you saying there's no truth in it? God did tell His people to do things that seem terrible to us, but it's relative to God's plan to redeem mankind. We do not have the ability to see the future and God does so He understands the best route to redeeming man. We're not asked to understand everything God does, we are to have faith that He will do what's best for us.


Wrong, a 10 year old would enjoy many of the stories in the Bible, however we do not ask our 10 year old's to go at things by themselves, unless we don't care, is that what your saying we should let the young run their lives without guidance, would be kinda irresponsible.


Oh, I seem to have mistaken you for someone who wanted to have decent conversation, sorry I saw you in that light, why, because you know I didn't mean that, a fine tapestry is something good to look at and take in.


Yes you are and deliberately. The commandments I gave you were some of those threads you removed so you didn't have to see how God meant for us to treat our fellow man. See you want to believe the 10 Commandments were directed at people to do for themselves, when they were intended as the way we are to respect others, your short sighted self indulgence has lead you down the wrong path. I take the Bible as a whole, I do not over look or look past any of it, what I do not understand I research to find the answer with God's help. You're making accusations about me that are not true, so stop seeing doing what you do.


I understand completely what you mean, you do not want to do the work to see God's truth, when you find something that disagrees with your life style you dismiss it. When you find something disagreeable to you in scripture you drag it down instead of trying to find out the truth.


God commands no evil, that is just your opinion as a sight limited human, if God commanded evil He would be sinful and God says He can not sin. As for those scriptures you need to provide a couple to start with and I'll answer them, I've always have, I'm not afraid of the scriptures and the truths they hold, like atheist are.


Now your acting like a child, you have no idea what I can see and what I believe is moral or immoral, so grow up.

GC

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Here’s the deal GC.. I’m glad that you step up to the plate to engage in conversation, but when you say things that you can’t back up over and over again such as: 1)God did tell His people to do things that seem terrible to us, but it's relative to God's plan to redeem mankind, 2)We do not have the ability to see the future and God does so He understands the best route to redeeming man, it sort of makes me not want to respond. You claim something, and then, I’m supposed to accept it, because I can’t argue against it. I’m a little tired of that. I understand that you believe in this stuff, and I can actually understand where you’re coming from, in a few of the responses that you just made, but I don’t believe in your book, simple as that.

First of all it's not my book, it is a book of study that can help lead one to redemption that belongs to the world. You want accept what is said in the Bible, which when it comes down to it your fault and loss, not mine. When people like you take threads out of the tapestry the Bible is then you can make out of it anything you want. I on the other hand take it all together and have to make sense of things that seem to be contradictory, yet I stay with it until though the Holy Spirit and plenty of Bible study I see the truth. Not by making things fitting together by ignoring somethings and accepting others, I use the whole Bible because without doing so truth can't be found especially in matters that are more complicated.

The part where you said the 10 year old would enjoy the stories of the bible, I’d have to disagree. Actually, my cousin is around that age, and his dad has been teaching him about the bible recently (he wasn’t heavily indoctrinated so he can actually think for himself), and came to me and said how it all doesn’t make sense and that he saw too many evil things in it. So, I’m not wrong.

Sure he sees awful things, they're there, but he needs someone who can explain what's actually going on, God is not the evil one you claim He is and, when taught properly children will see this. Yes the decision should always be their's, it's a personal decision between them and God. I've seen people trying to talk children into accepting Christ and I believe that's wrong because it's not real, it's not a personal decision. Most people who do this just plain do not understand what God wants, they do it out of fear for the child/children, they want them saved so badly they go overboard.

Yes, they should read it and decide for themselves. When you say someone should guide them, you actually mean completely brainwash them, whether you agree with me or not. Children should be allowed to decide if they want to believe in something of this nature or not. Don’t make this dishonest comparison about not guiding them through the bible, means that people don’t care. In my opinion, if you cared, you’d let them decide for themselves, not tell them that they’ll go to hell if they don’t believe in some book put together by men, and those men picked and chose whatever books that they felt was right.

Now you're making generalizations about the Bible you can't back up. Regardless the Bible is much to complicated to allow a child to make a decision on it's own. You going to take a book on advanced physics and ask a 10 year old to make a decision whether to accept it or not, I don't think you would do that, you would want to teach the child starting with the basics, much like what happens in a Sunday School class. After teaching then a child should be allowed to make up it's own mind, forcing a child into salvation is no salvation at all. As far as hell goes, well lets compare it and heaven to electricity, if all you ever knew about electricity was that it brought you the lights and other good things (heaven), with out teaching about the dangers of leaving the bare end of a wire alone which could get you killed (hell), would be an injustice to a person.  

The part where you say that I don’t want to see god’s truth is just another example of something that makes no sense. If I saw a reason to be believe that the bible was absolutely true, I wouldn’t deny it, but I see many reason to believe that it’s not. And, all the other parts where you stick up for the bible, again, I don’t agree with that morality.

It makes perfect sense you reject God's word because you refuse to find out why somethings you believe to be evil deeds by God aren't. You have your reasons for believing as you do, reasons you don't share, but I really believe it's not because you can't accept the objective morality taught in the Bible.

Thanks, but no thanks. If a god actually let me know that I would need to accept this book, and see that this is somehow objective, and there’s a plan greater than my mind could see, and something that needed to be followed or I’d suffer for eternity, I guess I’d have to give it another chance. Since your god has failed at letting me know what objective morality is and so on, I have to go by what I feel is right.

Funny you would say you have to go by your own feelings, when God says specifically that when a man follows his own understanding he will get himself in trouble in spiritual matters concerning the redemption God offers. God didn't fail, you should reconsider who left who. 

I feel sorry for you and if you have kids that you are teaching these things to them, that I consider evil, but that’s my honest opinion. Can you get it through your head that I need a lot of evidence, and your god hasn’t given me a shred to go on. All the so-called evidence that you claim exists, isn’t even contemporaneous when this man supposedly lived. I don’t want to hear seek him (we’ve been through that), blah blah blah, unless you have new, undeniable evidence that the bible is the word of god, then you’ve got nothing! All you have is your beliefs, and the only people that you can convince are the poor innocent kids that will believe everything you say at such a young age.

I don't nor did I when I was teaching youth in my church to do anything but make up their own minds, I know forcing someone into a decision doesn't bring them into God's salvation and thus they have no relationship with the Savior and in the end no real understanding of the Bible, my focus was they have a deep relationship with God through Christ on their own choice not mine, it was their lives and they needed to make their decisions for them. I wish you lived here I would introduce you to them, they would tell you I was tough but fair and that I never pressured them to make any decisions about God.
The bold in your statement is mine because I think it's the most important thing you said, consider and opinion are not facts nor proof that anything God did according to the scriptures was/is evil, it was a purpose to redeem me,you and anyone who will accept what was done by Christ the Messiah.

GC
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