(September 21, 2015 at 9:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Most Theists don't give a crap about philosophical arguments for God and are not interested in them. They are still strong in faith in God and don't care for a single argument. They believe they are connected to God and they know by the power of faith.
And please don't simply call "faith" "blind belief", because, that's not what Theists believe it is. They believe it's a seeing power, it's a connection.
Oh, I wouldn't call that blind belief: "circular reasoning" works much better. You believe you're connected to god through your faith, and you know you're correct in doing so because you believe in the thing you have faith in super strongly.
But say there's some magic revelation you get when you have faith (I'd call that a presupposition) and that if only you have faith, you'll get it: I'm still not rationally justified in taking that leap of faith without evidence first, nor am I able to take your personal experiences as evidence for me. Revelation is necessarily first-person, it's not something you can demonstrate.
Quote:If most Theists were relying on arguments like first cause, design etc, then you may have a point. But from my experience, there is very few Theists who actually have faith in God from philosophical reasons, and even those, probably have faith from other then that, but just seek to strengthen their case against Atheists.
Well, okay, but my point still stands: "You just gotta have faith," is not a compelling piece of evidence, and without that, I cannot rationally begin to believe in a thing. Doesn't matter if you're ultimately correct; I can only evaluate the things it is possible to evaluate, and the claim "I know god exists through faith," is not something I can do that for.
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