(October 1, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: Laugh all you want, it's not going to bother me, now that said to something a little more serious.
The image could be of anyone and is likely not of Jesus, if it is it doesn't prove a thing, I can show people thousands of images called Jesus. I think that should settle that.
There are people like Moses in the Quran, mostly to lead back to Abraham to validate them as a people and connected to Allah whoever he may be. I've never heard a Muslim defend these people except for Abraham because he's their link to Allah. The OT part of the Quran has no relevance to them, it is the teachings of Muhammad they follow. Christianity is outlawed in Iran and Saudi Arabia and Christians are persecuted in most of the Middle East, so yeah they do not want Christians nosing around sites that could damage their standing. Egypt is still in denial that they had black Pharaohs, their own national history museum doesn't even list pharaohs for that particular (25th) dynasty, so yeah I think they want to keep things as they are, they've shown that.
He's not my dude, he's a man looking to show the stories of the Bible are true and I watch to see what comes up, just as I do with non-Christian sites. Yes I'm awake, it's that I see things differently than you do that causes you to believe I'm asleep. We have different views on the way people think, we both have evidence for our views, you see it from a secular point of view and I see it from a spiritual world view and the Muslim see it from a spiritual point of view in opinion.
GC
You're seriously denying that Muslims believe in the parts of the Qur'an that tell the story of Moses and Noah? On a national scale, and to the point that they would exclude researchers from going there to look for those two guys? I mean, geez, just think of the number of "find Noah's Ark" expeditions that have gone to Mount Ararat, and that is on the border of two Muslim countries, requiring permits from both!
There are not "people like Moses" in the Qur'an, the story of Moses and the Pharaoh is in the Qur'an. So is Noah and the Ark. Period. I posted the links; you can read for yourself! I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm asking you to read for yourself. You're basically claiming that Muslims don't believe in the Qur'an... which is crazy-talk. Tell you what, if you go onto a Muslim forum and get the Muslims there to tell you they don't believe in the stories of Moses and Noah, as presented in the Qur'an, I will withdraw my statement here and apologize openly.
As for the Egyptian archaeological finding, I agree it's probably not Jesus as he really was, but it may be an early rendering by followers of Jesus, which would establish there were Coptic Christians (and Gnostic Christians) in Egypt from the beginning... and don't you think that's the kind of thing they'd want to cover up, if they were as paranoid as you suggest about allowing Bible-proving researchers into their lands? Christianity is outlawed for citizens of many Middle Eastern nations, but Muslim culture is also big into the proper ways to treat guests, and they do allow scholars to come in and study whatever they want, especially archaeologists.
You're grasping at straws to hold onto a conspiracy theory pushed by a guy whom top Biblical archaeologists call equivalent to a "reporter" for the National Enquirer. Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. That's why I called him "your boy", because you're defending this fraud simply because he claims to be repressed In the Name of the Lord, despite all evidence to the contrary. When I think of all the people I know in the oil industry who've worked all throughout the MidEast (I'm from Louisiana, and most of my relatives and friends work for oil companies), of the biologists I've known who've studied ecosystems/species/fossils in those countries, and the archaeologists whose accounts I've read of their findings from those lands, I have to wonder how deep your paranoia can possibly go!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
