RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 19, 2015 at 12:12 pm
(This post was last modified: October 19, 2015 at 12:26 pm by Jenny A.)
(October 19, 2015 at 11:03 am)JBrentonK Wrote: The title of this thread may sound weird, but that's my intention with this thread. I am going to ask you peeps that question.
The title is an an example of bad syntax. That's always a bad sign.
Quote:"She even wrote a book . . . [about] the Higher Wisdom. And Beautiful Thought. That sort of thing. Full of bad syntax."Dorothy Sayers, Gaudy Night
"Oh, lord! Yes -- that's pretty awful, isn't it? I can't think why fancy religions should have such a ghastly effect on one's grammar."
"It's a kind of intellectual rot that sets in, I'm afraid."
(October 19, 2015 at 11:03 am)JBrentonK Wrote: So without further ado, give me proof of your claim that you are an atheist, proof that you can believe in no God, proof that you are not just basing your opinion on dust, or dirt, or soot. Proof that you are an atheist too.... Because I don't believe that your "atheism" was not created by human eyes, human ears, human stupidity.... I believe, to the contrary, that your atheism was created around the 1900's, that it's a new upstart to the world of "fiction"; that you have never been more than a disbeliever.....
What you apparently mean is can you prove you are an atheist?
My answer is why should I bother? I know that I don't believe in any gods by consulting my own mind. Whether you believe me is not of any real moment.
(October 19, 2015 at 11:03 am)JBrentonK Wrote: I believe that you do not believe in God,
Well that decides it doesn't it? You believe I'm an atheist. Oh wait----there's more definitional madness to follow:
(October 19, 2015 at 11:03 am)JBrentonK Wrote: can not be contributive, cannot base your beliefs on your acts and can not act positively as a result. You cannot give to charity (or at least I wouldn't want you to), you cannot base your beliefs on the faith in your beliefs which beg for your positive contribution to the world. The world begs you for love. Give it or else!
You wouldn't want me to give to charity? Selfish of you and hardly my worry. I do give to charity, though you might not like all the particular causes I choose. I give to individuals too from time to time. Charity is not dependent on faith. It's dependent on empathy in my case.
(October 19, 2015 at 11:03 am)JBrentonK Wrote: I also believe that you are not an atheist, however, and this thread will prove weather I am right or wrong. Are you an atheist?
Wait a minute, you just said that you believed I don't believe in god. That's game set match. I'm an atheist.
(October 19, 2015 at 11:03 am)JBrentonK Wrote: Or are you just coming to that conclusion due to some sorting out of the theories? Well, the good news is, if I'm right, and there is no proof for atheism (and all of it's bad fundamentalisms), you can still be a valuable part of your beliefs. All you'd have to do is act them, and then again, that is all you'd be forced to do. To start being contributive. To start a conversation and contribute to it's positive gain, to converse with friends or neighbors and be an actual, productive citizen during the process....
There is no proof that there is no god, though there is very good evidence that most of the things in the OT didn't happen. What there is a decided lack of is evidence for god. That in itself is enough reason not to believe. Do you find it necessary to disprove dragons, unicorns, vampires, esp, etc.?
(October 19, 2015 at 11:03 am)JBrentonK Wrote: So, are you an atheist, or do you just believe that you are?
I'm an atheist. You are a little nuts.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.