RE: Actual Infinities
October 28, 2015 at 4:19 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2015 at 4:20 am by Mudhammam.)
(October 28, 2015 at 3:43 am)Irrational Wrote:That's the problem with cosmological arguments. If God's will and knowledge of creation were timeless, how is creation not timeless? Since the universe could conceivably have been 30 billion years old, or 100 trillion years old, what caused God to will the universe into being at the moment from whence "only" 13.8 billion years have passed? What caused the cause of the will to act exactly when he did? Hence, we're again off to the races of the infinite regress problem.(October 28, 2015 at 3:38 am)robvalue Wrote: It's funny how people who can't imagine this infinite past find it incredibly easy to imagine a god with exactly the same properties.
Of course, they try and make him special by using such nonsense terms as "timeless".
We experience reality, so our ideas about it get constantly challenged. I agree that imagining an infinite past is difficult, because it kind of clashes with our intuition about how things seem to work. Since no one actually experiences God outside of their own head, it never falls under the same scrutiny. People can merrily use whatever words they want to describe it and it can break all the rules that apparently cause these paradoxes in the first place, because it never actually shows up to challenge those claims.
If it did show up, our natural curiosity would be asking all the same questions we ask of the universe.
"Timeless" yet was planning all sorts of things the whole time before creation. Interesting paradox.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza