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Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist
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RE: Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist
(October 28, 2015 at 3:31 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:
(October 28, 2015 at 3:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Why are you entering into a discussion with me in bad faith by assuming that I haven't?

You mentioned the empty tomb once already here, and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: that's apologists literally going "hey look! Nothing!" and then suggesting that this literal empty space is evidence for their miracle claim somehow.

it wasn't just the empty tomb that convinced them; they claimed that they saw and touched and ate with Him
then the church exploded because you had these people saying Jesus was raised from the dead and then dying for what they believed

Well, fine, and that's good enough justification for them to believe, but it certainly isn't good reason to believe it centuries later on the say so of anonymously written assertions of what happened with no outside or first-hand accounts, nor unbiased extra-biblical sources. What you've described is fine for the people that actually saw Jesus, it's not fine at all for the apologists making these arguments today, certainly not for you or I, and yet you're seriously expecting us to accept these arguments: why?
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Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 27, 2015 at 9:50 pm
RE: Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist - by The Valkyrie - October 27, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist - by I_am_not_mafia - October 28, 2015 at 9:20 am
RE: Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist - by Esquilax - October 28, 2015 at 11:11 am
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