RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 15, 2016 at 3:13 pm
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2016 at 3:18 pm by Simon Moon.)
(January 15, 2016 at 2:58 pm)athrock Wrote:(January 15, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm an anti-theist regardless of exodus being factual or fictional, my anti-theism is in no way associated with or connected to the truth of this...or any other narrative in your holy books.
I'm an anti-theist if god doesn't exist.
I'm an anti-theist if god does exist.
I'm an anti-theist if exodus didn't happen.
I'm an anti-theist is exodus did happen.
Understand?
Now that I've worked you up into an apologetic frenzy, would you like to reassert the claim you made earlier...that I have failed to substantiate my assessment of you?
So, you're a liar for atheism. And not just a liar and not just an atheist, but an anti-theist. Got it. Now we understand each other.
You made an interesting comment (highlighted above), and I'd like to explore this for a moment.
You say you're anti-theist REGARDLESS of the truth of the Exodus account. My understanding of this statement is that EVEN IF the Exodus account were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have actually occurred just as the Bible records it, you would still be against theism. IOW, the truth of the Bible would make no difference, you would still be opposed to any belief in God whatsoever.
Even if God does exist and you were certain of this beyond a shadow of a doubt, you would still be "anti" or against belief in him?
Do I understand you correctly?
And no, you have not substantiated your claim that I am a liar.
Me thinks you do not know the definition of anti-theism.
Even if the Bible were completely true, and the god depicted in the stories, actually existed, Rhytm (and I) would still be an anti-theist.
Accepting that the Bible god existed, and the Bible stories are true, does not automatically mean that a former atheist would worship said god, or believe that religion is a good thing.
Quite the opposite. One of the worst possibilities I could think of, would be if the psychopathic, genocidal, slavery condoning, eternal punishment for finite crime, Bible god actually existed.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
