(January 17, 2016 at 9:15 am)MTL Wrote:(January 17, 2016 at 2:15 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Oh come on wizard, don't tell me you don't look at a member of the sex of the your attracted to and go "that ass, its fucking amazing"
I'm going to give you a personal example of how this works. There is this girl in my class at school. She has a fucking amazing ass that and figure. I would love nothing more then to fuck the everloving shit out of her from behind. But j also acknowledge that she is a very competent and intelligent human, who is very kind and easy to get along with. She also has great organizational skills. Does that make me an evil sexist who views women as objects. Hardly. Just my mother was careful to teach me that women are more then just sex objects. In other words you can teach a straight man to see women as humans, but you can't teach him to not what to fuck women.
But once again,
no one here is saying that men shouldn't be ATTRACTED-TO, or even appreciate, a sexy woman's appearance.
What we're saying is that her appearance doesn't give men license to act like apes.
If I'm looking good...not even dressed particularly provocatively, just looking good...
...and I go to the grocery store,
and I see a man do a double-take at me,
and his gaze lingers a moment,
maybe he even briefly makes eye-contact with me...
I am not going to be offended....in fact, I will even be a little flattered.
Even if I do not find him attractive;
even if he is the same age as my grandfather.
As long as all he did was LOOK, and not STARE.
But if a guy stares fixedly at me, never lowering his gaze,
even after he knows I've seen him looking...
...that is intimidating and could even be construed as menacing.
Now, what some of the guys here are trying to defend,
is that it IS entirely understandable to STARE,
and that STARING should not be shamed,
....if the woman is dressed provocatively.
And what we've been responding with is this:
Fine. Stare if you must. As long as you don't touch or harass.
But it's still rude, and we are still going think you are an ape.
You may be struck by her provocative dress,
but you are still responsible for your own behavior.
Looking is one thing...staring is another.
If these guys want to say:
" If she dresses sexy, she should expect stares. "
Then I can say to those guys:
" If you stare, you should expect to be considered an ape who is barely in control of himself...
...and you can expect women to flee from you. "
In other words,
EVERYONE is accountable for their OWN behavior.
Go read my post on page 24
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
