Really, Germany?

[Ivan Denisovich]

If you really had a notion about why it happened you wouldn't feel the irrational urge to blame someone for it.

How authoritative. You convinced me.

No one is to blame. Forget about blame and guilt altogether. Focus on preventing crime and containing it. You can cry in your pillow about the other stuff all you want.

No one is to blame? Neither killers nor ideologues? Why should I forget about guilt? To not make you sad?

No, I didn't say that. In fact I don't think it's anyone's "fault", not even Hitler's. Hitler did what he did. He couldn't have done otherwise and didn't. Same goes for everyone else.

Why exactly Hitler couldn't done otherwise? It's genuine question. Were his deeds written in the stars for example? Were his taking of power in Germany somehow preordained?

It's not just mere talk. These are demonstrable facts that shed light on the problem. I am very aware of earlier anti-Semitism and all of the other factors involved. In fact I pointed out myself that there's many factors to it. Do you have any point at all here or are you just talking gibberish?

I'm afraid that you're the one talking gibberish. Hitler couldn't done otherwise!? Really?

Though yes Hitler charisma certainly played a role in all this.

You're saying I'm not right so I'm not right. Interesting. Also I don't blame everyone - I only answered to your claim that Germans weren't entirely responsible. 

Instead of saying certain Germans. It's true you later said you're not blaming all Germans for it, so let me clarify my own statement as well, if it is a game of language that you want us to play here. Instead of blaming everyone I'm accusing you of blaming anyone at all in particular and having that extend to present times in any way, shape or form. Instead, we should be looking at the roots of the problem and try and prevent it from ever happening again. If I'm strawmanning you here, that's great, it's just a misunderstanding. If not, my point stands.

Here it is just misunderstanding. I didn't mean all Germans, but indeed I should have write it clearly. And I certainly don't blame people born after war for whatever was done earlier.

As for looking on the roots of the problem I agree, though I don't really understand your position, i.e. Hitler inability to done otherwise. In this we disagree, but I'm open to discussion.

Your way of arguing is really dishonest. If you go back and read my statements, then read yours, that's easy to see. I'll indulge you though for as long as we can keep up any semblance of a conversation.

I see no dishonesty in my way of arguing. If you see it then it's indeed gracious of you to indulge humble me with discussion.
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