(February 1, 2016 at 5:36 pm)Vicki Q Wrote:(January 31, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "We survivors of 1993 are looking for David and all those that died either in the shootout or in the fire," Doyle says. "We believe that God will resurrect this special group."
~ Branch Davidians 20 years after the seige at Waco
Branch Davidians (BDs) and C1 Jews had completely different ideas about theology, and particularly the Messainic role. There are major dangers with 'generalising' religions.
For a start, where C1 Jews believed in the resurrection, it was the general resurrection (everyone in one go) at the inauguration of the Kingdom of God. They wouldn't sit around a field waiting for a bunch of people to reappear in advance of the end of the world.
Secondly, the inauguration of God's Kingdom was primarily seen as the military triumph of the Jewish people winning back their land of Israel and their freedom, lead by the Messiah. If your candidate got himself killed, God wasn't with him, and you needed to look elsewhere for the Messiah. BD theology is clearly much more flexible- your man can die and God can still be with him.
Thirdly, the BDs appear to invent theology as they go along, without substantial roots. Judaism had to follow the meta-narrative of the OT.
Context is all here.
This is all beside the point. Jesusism apparently appealed to quite a few. You can't use the people it wouldn't appeal to as evidence that it couldn't have spawned a revolution even though the original revolution was a failure. This isn't evidence, it's not even speculation, it's a clumsy attempt at rhetoric. This is not evidence that C1 failed revolutions can't spawn greater revolutions. I see a lot of ad hoc reasoning and shifting the goalposts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
Wikipedia Wrote:After the failure of the prediction, she left Chicago after being threatened with arrest and involuntary commitment. She later founded the Association of Sananda and Sanat Kumara. Under the name Sister Thedra, she continued to practice channeling and to participate in contactee groups until her death in 1992. The Association is active to this day.
That's two examples that contradict your claim.