(March 19, 2009 at 5:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(March 19, 2009 at 12:02 am)athoughtfulman Wrote: So what's your point?Thanks for the reply thoughtful. I don't think any of that questions the proposition.
That faith only exists in the presence of doubt? Great. Millions of people doubt the existence of this god all around the world then. If he were so good, big, powerful, so apparently everywhere, why does every single christian doubt him? Because they all believe by faith right? So they all doubt the existence of god? Why the hell do they believe then?
The anit-theist mantra "give me proof" is not anti-theist. It is simply logical. If someone makes a claim, we need evidence to recognise that claim. Though many atheists seem to turn it into a religion itself, atheism is simply the pursuit of reality.
ALL people doubt the existance of God yes. How CAN'T they???
"Because they all believe by faith right?" - you used to believe in God - did you have any empirical evidence?
Did you have faith in his existence and the assurity of his existence despite the lack of empirical evidence? ..of course you did! That's how it works. It's no different for anyone else. You only want it to be. Suddenly you're making an unreasonable request for the impossible.
Atheism seems to be the denial of rationality, holding up science as the only explanation for everything that doesn't concern it as well as that which does.
Uh, what? How does it not question the proposition?
I did have faith despite lack of empirical evidence. I realise that's how it works. Thats the reason I'm no longer a christian! I was no longer comfortable believing in something for which their is no empirical evidence. Far from being the denial of rationality, atheism seeks the evidence. Part of being an atheist is being willing to change your views if new evidence comes out of something. If there were evidence of god, I would believe in god. We simply must follow the evidence.
Faith? That's how it works? It sure does. With no evidence, there's no way else for it to work. I could make a request for empirical evidence of all manner of things which don't exist, for example: the easter bunny, santa claus, or unicorns, or allah, or gaia, or anything. What makes your religion and it's lack of empirical evidence any greater than anything else lacking empirical evidence?
If there is a reason why believing in christianity with faith is justified, please elaborate.
"I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability." Oscar Wilde
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