RE: Hi There
March 2, 2016 at 4:56 pm
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2016 at 5:16 pm by AJW333.)
(March 2, 2016 at 6:10 am)ignoramus Wrote: Welcome matey.
PS, We love talking about objective morality! We can't get enough of it! hehe Do you have any thoughts on the matter?
Hi Ignoramus,
Yes I have lots of thoughts on morality! This is probably not the thread to discuss them but I will no doubt get to it soon.
Cheers
AJ.
(March 2, 2016 at 3:45 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:Ok thanks for the heads up. My aim is to be respectful and patient. That said, I do enjoy robust debate. And DNA is a topic I'm interested in so I look forward to some discussion on this.(March 2, 2016 at 2:28 am)AJW333 Wrote: Thanks. What's a rep?
Thanks. Not sure what you mean here. Could you elaborate?
Rep = Reputation Points. You can score people for good posts, or if you really like the quality of their work. In fact, for a while (he decided to stop coming here, sadly), the highest-repped person I knew on an atheism board was a Christian. But he was honest, respectful, and did not treat us as inferior, the way most Christians do, nor saw us as enemies in some ideological war. That's a big start. Mamacita was just pulling your chain.
The reason she used the terms "fact", "theory", and "Bible" is that we have many, many, many Christians come here (briefly), and sling the first two terms around incorrectly, to our extreme annoyance, and then use "Bible" to justify their beliefs when they get called out on some BS. The same goes for the earlier reference to "Objective Morality", which is the latest fad for apologetics fans, claiming they have the lock on "objective" morality, while all of us have "subjective" (and thus inferior) moral codes... essentially, it is a claim that Christians are inherently more moral people than non-believers. If you can't understand why this sticks in our craw, well, this may not be the place for you. Here's a made-up example of the type of exchange I'm talking about:
"Well DNA had to have a Designer because DNA is information, and it's a fact that information only comes from intelligence."
"That's not a fact, that's just an assertion. We absolutely don't know that for a fact, and from what we've seen of how DNA operates, it seems to be a try/fail/succeed system that operates blindly, with the ones that don't have better information losing to those who do. This suggests that it is a blind, unintelligent process that only looks deliberately ordered, at first glance, to our pattern-seeking hunter-gatherer brains."
"I believe I am the intelligently designed masterpiece of the Creator because the Bible tells me so."
"Ooooooooooooooooohhhhhh, I see. Impervious to reason. Got it."
So, stick around long enough and you'll figure out the tone of the place, so to speak, and it'll be harder to jerk your chain. Don't take it personally; we do it to one another constantly.
AJ.
(March 2, 2016 at 7:49 am)pocaracas Wrote: Welcome aboard, AJ.Hi Pocaracas
Make yourself comfortable, because you're in for a bumpy ride!!! BUHAHAHAHA!!!
Allow me to reiterate what uncle Alex said - usually, when atheists point out some of god's features, they are simply trying to show you, the believer, how strange, inconsistent, inconsiderate, immoral or evil that god is... and usually, you, the believer, follow that belief on nothing more than "you were raised like that".
Thanks for the welcome. Your statement here is very much what I'm interested in discussing, perhaps I'll start a thread on it once I've had a look around.
Cheers
AJ