The backbreaker

[athrock]

Firstly I missed the part where you address this thread. You ignored it when I repeated it here:

Is God above the law?

If yes, then why send his son to die?  You address the perspective of Jesus but leave God's half out.  So yet another half assed answer. Tell me WHY God had this happen when it was completely unnecessary. If you CANNOT, if all you can say is that I have to ask God,then your beliefs cannot be drafted in any kind of sensible manner.  I.e. your beliefs are irrational.

Is a painting greater than the painting he creates? Of course not...that which is created is less than its creator.

God is above the law. He is the maker of law.

Now, why do you claim that the Cross was completely unnecessary?

If God is not above the law, why did he break his own law by torturing and killing David's son as punishment for David?

God did not torture David's son. I have written extensively about this in my posts to RocketSurgeon.

And once again, if you want to associate pedophilia with homosexuality then I have to ask: are you attracted to 8 year olds of the opposite sex?  What percentage of the heterosexual population is?  Are you saying that homosexuals have a higher tendency to be pedophiles?

You are in error concerning the average age of the victims; most were teenagers, and the crime was not, therefore, pedophilia. Additionally, why were most of the victims male? The Catholic Church permits girls to serve at the altar, so why were there not more female victims???

Because these crimes were committed by homosexual priests against young men...not against pre-pubescent children.

What is my source for the popes being in on the conspiracy?  Well, the head of the Catholic Church in Ireland, a cardinal who presumably is ranked only below the pope and no one else, made rape victims sign a vow of silence. I.e. a coverup.  Do you believe the pope was unaware of this?  If so, why didn't the pope fire his ass when this came out?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion...e-vow.html

Dunno. But for a real smoking gun, you have to prove that the pope(s) not only knew that priests were molesting young men but that they also condoned THAT activity. Otherwise, at best you can only say that the popes were not courageous enough in how they addressed the problem.

Unfortunately for your side, rabid atheists are making such wild accusations concerning the Church, the priesthood, celibacy, etc. that more thoughtful voices are being drowned out. This is clearly the case in this forum.

A U.S. Department of Education report issued in 2004 examined a number of American studies into the prevalence of sexual misconduct by school staff. They found that between 3.5% and 50.3% of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career. [color=#3366ff]They found that teachers, coaches, substitute teachers were the most common offenders.

Wow, between 3.5% and 50.3% are you kidding me?  That is your victory?

Couldn't I just as easily say that between 3.5% and 50.3% of priests are rapists and still be correct?  Or how about between 3.5% and 100% of priests are rapists. That is correct, lol. Now look I've magically put priests back in front without even doing anything.

You're an idiot.

Estimates on the number of priests involved in these scandals are in the range of 1-2% of all priest worldwide. Yet, hardly a day goes by when we don't hear of some teacher being accused of having sex with her minor student(s). And those are the heterosexual reports. Have you forgotten the Penn State scandal so quickly? Homosexuals are molesting young people at an alarming rate in a broad spectrum of institutions - Boy Scouts, swim teams, Little League baseball, and, of course, the public school system. Wherever there are kids, the predators will gather.

I know you really want to pin this exclusively on the Catholic Church, but the facts simply won't allow that.

If you bother to acknowledge them, that is.