(April 1, 2016 at 2:04 pm)athrock Wrote: Because Jesus was God.
As for the rest of your post, addressing all of your concerns would not be a good use of my time because I don't think you are actually interested in hearing anything that refutes what you want to believe.
You may have the last word.
That's just pathetic. Jesus was talking to himself (as God) in the garden when he begged himself to change his own mind? You really think that's a plausible explanation, rather than an ad-hoc concept added later? You really think that your "but he was God" is a convoluted way to explain what is really quite simpler. Seriously, is it not simpler to admit that you just want to believe in the Trinitarian doctrine that was developed a century after the start of the church, and prefer to ignore that we refute what you want to believe?
It isn't that we don't hear what you say. It's not that we just refuse to accept it out of some counter-doctrinal bias... we just realize that your concepts don't make sense to anyone not already accepting of the doctrines of your cult.
I mean, seriously, Athrock... you come here thinking we don't know or haven't heard of these doctrines, when the fact is most of us have studied every form of Christianity we could find information about, have faced these points (in their various versions) from every Christian who comes on these types of sites--in some cases, we've been doing it for decades--and we have concluded that they hold no weight. All of them, in their various versions. But you, who cling to your particular version, try to tell us that we're just being stubborn, or that we don't really understand, or that we're just angry. Et cetera, ad nauseam. Yet you can't see that it's you who clings to your dogma like a child clinging to a blanket, and that it's you who doesn't get what it actually means to say that every Christian has their own version that they claim is The One Right Interpretation of Scipture™, and that these vary widely.
You all sound just like each other, and you all disagree. Yet we're the ones whom you claim are "indoctrinated" and claim we refuse to believe in the claims of your sub-cult because we are emotional (and thus illogical) about it? Puh-leeeeeeze! We're not the ones who pledge mental allegiance to dogma every Sunday.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
