RE: Jewish Geneology: A Fraud?
April 10, 2016 at 10:02 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2016 at 10:04 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
I've been mentally running down a list of problems that would be created by the PB, if it literally was evidence of a massive Hebrew slave population in Egypt at the time-period the story claims.
1) The first and most obvious is that Egypt owned the entire region of Canaan at that time, and were engaged in battles in the northern part of that land to keep out the Hittites. Not only does that mean that the Egyptians would have brought slaves back from that region (making it hardly surprising that you'd find Semitic names on their list), but it means that if we accept the story, the entire Exodus was half a million Hebrews [ETA: I'm not trying to give a definitive number, here... only using a randomly large number, since the Bible claims just one of the tribes had more than 600,000, if I recall correctly] running from Egypt to Egypt, a bit like saying "We fled from the United States and went to Alaska!".
2) Even if we give the benefit of the doubt and say that the ten names (out of ~90 on the list) were ONLY used by the Hebrews, it begs the question of who were these non-Hebrews? Were there as many of their people in Egypt as there were Hebrews? Were they let go along with the Hebrews? Did they suffer as the Egyptians did in the plagues? Why don't we see any stories from those peoples about their time in captivity in Egypt?
3) Even the article admits the document, being from the southern regions of Egypt, and thus far from Goshen (where the Bible claims the Hebrews were living while enslaved), doesn't give evidence of the Goshen populace. I'm wondering whether they were all released at once, or if the Goshen population pillaged their way through half of Egypt to get to this southern group before turning west toward the Red Sea (as the northernmost tip of the Red Sea requires a walk SOUTH of nearly 200 miles before turning east to reach the northernmost tip of the Gulf of Suez... check a map. I've seen speculation that they went into the Sinai and then turned south to reach the tip of the peninsula before crossing the Gulf of Aquaba into what is now Saudi Arabia, where the famous "parting of the sea" supposedly occurred-- the problem being that the Egyptians militarily controlled the Sinai, as well, and you're high off your ass if you think they couldn't catch the "escapees" before the far side of the Sinai peninsula.
1) The first and most obvious is that Egypt owned the entire region of Canaan at that time, and were engaged in battles in the northern part of that land to keep out the Hittites. Not only does that mean that the Egyptians would have brought slaves back from that region (making it hardly surprising that you'd find Semitic names on their list), but it means that if we accept the story, the entire Exodus was half a million Hebrews [ETA: I'm not trying to give a definitive number, here... only using a randomly large number, since the Bible claims just one of the tribes had more than 600,000, if I recall correctly] running from Egypt to Egypt, a bit like saying "We fled from the United States and went to Alaska!".
2) Even if we give the benefit of the doubt and say that the ten names (out of ~90 on the list) were ONLY used by the Hebrews, it begs the question of who were these non-Hebrews? Were there as many of their people in Egypt as there were Hebrews? Were they let go along with the Hebrews? Did they suffer as the Egyptians did in the plagues? Why don't we see any stories from those peoples about their time in captivity in Egypt?
3) Even the article admits the document, being from the southern regions of Egypt, and thus far from Goshen (where the Bible claims the Hebrews were living while enslaved), doesn't give evidence of the Goshen populace. I'm wondering whether they were all released at once, or if the Goshen population pillaged their way through half of Egypt to get to this southern group before turning west toward the Red Sea (as the northernmost tip of the Red Sea requires a walk SOUTH of nearly 200 miles before turning east to reach the northernmost tip of the Gulf of Suez... check a map. I've seen speculation that they went into the Sinai and then turned south to reach the tip of the peninsula before crossing the Gulf of Aquaba into what is now Saudi Arabia, where the famous "parting of the sea" supposedly occurred-- the problem being that the Egyptians militarily controlled the Sinai, as well, and you're high off your ass if you think they couldn't catch the "escapees" before the far side of the Sinai peninsula.
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