(April 11, 2016 at 7:37 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(April 11, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree that unless you have a penis, you should not go into a woman's bathroom/lockerroom, and vice versa. For one, if we allow anyone to go into any bathroom/lockerromm so long as they say "I identify with this sex", this opens the doors to fakes who are sexual predators. Second, even though bathrooms wouldn't be as big of a deal for me personally, I respect that there are women who understandably are not comfortable with it. As for lockerrooms, I'm sorry but I would not feel comfortable with a man going in there while I'm in there changing/showering/etc... even if he did say he identified as female. I have no problem with a 3rd option of "gender neutral" bathroom/lockerrooms though.
I do think there is a difference between intervening when someone is upset and trying to hurt themselves, and intervening when someone has gone through therapy and has decided to go under the knife for extensive surgery. At that point I see it as them being under the care of professionals and doctors, and though I may not agree that it's the healthiest course of action, I would not feel like it is in my authority to stop it from happening.
The point where the lines may get blurred though, is when we are dealing with people who "feel" they should be blind/deaf/legless/armless/etc. There really are people out there who feel they are in the wrong body and that they should be in the body of someone who is blind, or an amputee or something. Should doctors help them out with that by blinding them? Or cutting off their legs? Obviously the answer is no. But then the question is, how is this different then, from a man who feels he should be a woman and wants to get his penis cut off? If we are being completely objective here, how is this different? I think the difference is that a person who undergoes sex change surgery is still able to function completely properly and normally with all their body parts (at least outside of the bedroom, but inside is not our business).... unlike the person who is unable to see because they had their eyes poked out by a doctor or something. Thoughts?
This XX man is required to go to the women's restroom by law.
http://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.c...e-x400.jpg
He, and really he is obviously a he, probably does have some kind of a penis. It's none of our business whether he does or doesnt. But he really doesn't belong in the ladies room Laws requiring him to use the women's room are either bigoted, ignorant, or both. If you want me to share a restroom with him, I'm not exactly frightened but I can't figure out why you'd feel safer if if shares a room with us.. He is not comfortablein the ladies, and I cannot see see any man worry about him in the mens.
If he has "some kind of penis" then by all means, use the men's room.
Of course, we're going to get examples like that. But we're also going to get examples of completely masculine looking folks who are just wearing lipstick and a padded bra. Or maybe, not even that. And I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable changing/showering with them in a lockerroom. There needs to be a line somewhere, and to me, it makes the most sense to make that line after a person has a sex change.
But again, this is why I said there should be a third bathroom.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh