RE: Has anyone discovered a successful way to make religious people atheist?
April 11, 2016 at 10:48 pm
(April 11, 2016 at 10:46 pm)Won2blv Wrote:(April 11, 2016 at 10:16 pm)Goosebump Wrote: That was cute, kudos! However you could have put in a few breaks so it's easier on the eyes and to follow.
I think your describing the "ideal receptive theist" as your example theist. I don't think you'll see many of them around here. I've also never met one and over 80% of the people in my family and life are theists.
I can ask questions and about their beliefs but by and large they have other things to worry about and just take a "god" lower case intended as a given. To them it's like gravity and it controls stuff like luck. That's the "weekend" theist I was talking about earlier. It's not a big deal to them.
In order for you to feel "under attack" you have to be invested. "Weekend" theists aren't, at least in my experience. I can empathize the shit out of their experience but when it comes to their "trusting in a luck god" who would I do that as a atheist? How would I do that without separating parts of my thoughts and cutting them off from each-other?
I can fake it. I can be like, yah lady luck, wow, guess she's on your side tonight. But it's still bullshit. Should I then bullshit somebody when engaged in debate with a theist?
How exactly do you see a atheist "putting themselves in the shoes" of a theist?
Also, just to bring this back up... how about the theist "putting themselves in the shoes" of an atheist? How do they do that?
What's being talked about requires a fundamentally different way of thinking. You 'can't just fake that, you can't pretend to understand somebody who actively and truly believes in some imaginary shit. Conversely you can't believe in something totally then pretend it doesn't exist.
I think what your asking is for people to be civil with each-other. aka: cut the name calling, foul language, character attacks and generalizations. I'm all for that. But you have an unrealistic expectation if you think atheists should or could "put themselves into the theists" shoes and vise versa.
What I am simply saying is that if you're genuinely asking for a successful way to make religious people atheist, then being more empathetic is key to it. That doesn't mean that you have to pretend to be a theist, or expect them to pretend to be atheist. It simply means that you have reason with them in a way that is bridge building instead of missile throwing
Right, civility. Empathy is impossible.
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