Free will

[Shadow_Man]

dyresand,

1. I will stress this if a god existed free will would be a illusion you would perceive you have free will but you wouldn't know and you couldn't know.

No. According to your logic free will is an illusion with or without God's foreknowledge. According to your logic, if you know what happened, then it is the only thing that could possibly have happened, so there was no choice in the matter, so there was no free will. If you thought something, then it is the only thing you could possibly have thought, so you had no choice in the matter, so you have no free will. Your logic is flawed. Knowledge is not constraint.

2. This is all hypothetical either or both sides of what i am saying is fairly balanced and yes there is a obvious paradox your god is full of them i just ignored everything and went with all knowing.   If god existed again your observations from a all powerful being be changed by his/her own will to give you that illusion you have free will do you understand? A all knowing being would have to keep up that facade to his creations of having free will.

Now you want to throw omnipotence into the mix, claiming that without it the illusion isn't possible. But you previously claimed that it was incontrovertibly logical that foreknowledge alone was all that was needed to preclude free will and make our observations illusory. Which is it?

3. Well what is god all knowing or not all knowing that is the basis of what im asking. it's simple as that do you think god is all knowing yes or no.

Let's be clear here. You did not ask a question. You made an assertion. But now that you are asking, the answer is yes, God is omniscient.

In other news -

Someone being mentally handicapped and there was a all knowing god it would be god's fault said person is like that not the person themselves. Same goes with murderers, rapists, child abusers and so on so fourth. Since god would be creating evil people to do evil things it's not the persons direct fault it is that of the creator so on so fourth.

According to you we must lay at God's feet the guilt for all the evil that men do. Why?

Since god would know our actions a head of time that being said free will is just a illusion and were all drones.

Because we are God's puppets, and thus cannot be faulted.

But what you fail to realize is that people being puppets does not make God guilty, it absolves Him of all guilt. Why?

Because puppets do not think, do not feel, and do not act. Puppets cannot be murderers, neither can they be murdered. Puppets cannot be rapists, neither can they be raped. When you pull your puppet's string and it says "I love you" it does not actually love you, it is just replaying it's pre-programmed line. The animatronic vagina cares not one whit where, when, how, or whether it is penetrated by the automated phallus. Being pre-programmed to say "Stop. Don't do that." does not give it actual concern for what is happening.

Logic does not lead where you think it does. If we have free will, then we are responsible for our own evil. If we have no free will then no evil has been perpetrated at all.

Regards,
Shadow_Man