RE: Transexuals
April 13, 2016 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2016 at 1:30 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(April 13, 2016 at 1:15 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(April 13, 2016 at 12:11 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Actually, I'm not.[suggesting a soul]Using functional MRI studied Burke brains of people with and without a so-called gender dystrophy. Burke: "It appears that the brains of these young people have characteristics that are closer to their perceived gender than their birth gender."
Like a famous talk show host, I value clarity more than agreement. You do realize that by lumping homosexuality in with GID, then you are in essence saying that either 1) both are pathological or 2) both are normative. In the study you cited there is a proven mismatch and conflict between two biological functions. Therefore you seem to be arguing for the idea that GID is a legitimate pathology, so that must mean that you think homosexuality is too.
People with health issues are innocent victims of their circumstances, so they are not to be faulted. The question remains as to what treatment options best remedy the pathology, a private decision, and how the larger culture must adapt itself to the accommodate the pathology. These issues can be discussed without accusations of bigotry.
I'm not quiiiiiiite sure what you mean by "pathological", in this context. However, I do know that people have very complex sexuality that is not only dictated by genes, but by epigenetics (and possibly other factors) during development. Whether the people are "normal" or "abnormal" seems to me entirely irrelevant. (Is there such thing as a normal person?)
What we do know is that the people who claim to be the opposite gender from their sex show unconscious/instinctive chemical reactions in their brain identical to the gender they're claiming to be. The same turned out to be true for homosexuals, and largely puts a stop to the "it's a choice" arguments.
You and Drippy both seem to be confusing GID as a condition with the fact of a person being trans. A person who is trans but cannot transition or be accepted as they wish to be accepted (as their brain tells them they really are) suffers from GID, not a happily-adjusted trans person. That's why it's in the DSM-V... just like depression or an eating disorder, it's something a person suffers from until they're addressed by psychologists. Treating it, or any such disorders, as a sign of being mentally deranged or dangerous, is sheer ignorance. It is seeking to justify your fear-reaction to something you don't understand by grasping at straws. We have tried to explain to you why it is a straw, and yet you persist in your refusal to understand what GID actually is. Why is that?
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.