RE: Transexuals
April 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm
(This post was last modified: April 15, 2016 at 8:32 pm by SteelCurtain.)
(April 15, 2016 at 8:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(April 15, 2016 at 8:11 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: So, again, why are we stepping on trans people in the interest of protections from non-trans people?
C_L, if a trans person identifies as a woman but still looks like a man, then they are likely to still be using the men's restroom. I have three trans friends, and one is just beginning her transition. Like most people, she is just trying to get by, but doesn't want the crazy ass people in TN all up in arms, so she still uses the men's room.
These fears you have are predicated on a lot of fear-mongering by right wing politicians. The likelihood of you ever even noticing a trans person in the bathroom with you is miniscule. It's probably happened many times already, you just didn't know it. This is the catastrophism that the GOP relies on, irrational fear based peddling of bigotry, in the name of "safety."
The funny thing is, if these bathroom laws had never existed, no one would have ever even noticed anything. Now we've created this bogey man that largely doesn't exist, and made it out to be an inevitability.
I don't think the goal is to "step on trans people" out of bigotry or anything like that. I think people are concerned that this may make it easier for a hetero man with a peeping fetish to pretend to be trans in order to easily gain access into women's rooms to peep.
Like I have said, this isn't a big fear of mine. My biggest reason for saying a 3rd bathroom is the best option is due to women feeling uncomfortable while in a bathroom/lockerroom with a person who is still physically male. However, I do think it is a valid concern that should be taken into account.
Did you see my post where I was asking you guys where you would draw the line (if one should be drawn at all) and if it should be different for lockerrooms?
What does it matter what the goal is if the outcome is just as I said?
As to your question, I answered it, we leave it up to the trans person. Wherever they feel more comfortable peeing, that's where they pee.
Just like in the 50s-60s, when white people were uncomfortable sitting in the booth next to black people, you'll get over it in time. Black people were a minority then just like they are now, but they deserved protection, even at the cost of the majority being uncomfortable while they adjusted. So while having a black person sit next to you (global you) on the bus was just about nearly intolerable, having a trans person nervously shuffle into a stall to use the restroom will be something you'll get over. It's even easier this time, because you'll probably not even notice that it's happening.
Again, the perv bogey man is just a tactic that was drawn up out of fear mongering from the right. Denying people rights and putting them in danger because some asshole politician whose party has been involved in more bathroom perversions than the people they are claiming to protect against is creating this "trans panic" is a thing that would fly in no other situation.
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