Jörmungandr,
No. Many of your fellows have declared unequivocally that if Christianity was true then they would still choose hell rather than Heaven. By now you have surely seen it many times. Those "few" are all that are needed to disprove your claim that God's carrot and stick preclude free will.
Free will does not demand the absence of influences.
No. Terrorism is "The unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." God is not a terrorist.
Pascal notwithstanding, it still fails to contravene our free will.
No. That is not the definition of duress, as I have already pointed out.
The proof that the carrot and stick do not contravene free will is still in the pudding.
Regards,
Shadow_Man
Jörmungandr Wrote:Few people reject heaven and embrace hell. The majority simply believe the threat, heaven and hell, isn't real. You're conflating not believing with believing but rejecting.
No. Many of your fellows have declared unequivocally that if Christianity was true then they would still choose hell rather than Heaven. By now you have surely seen it many times. Those "few" are all that are needed to disprove your claim that God's carrot and stick preclude free will.
Jörmungandr Wrote:If I truly believed I was bound for hell, you can bet that would be a strong influence on my behavior.
Free will does not demand the absence of influences.
Jörmungandr Wrote:This isn't the carrot and stick of law but rather a terroristic threat designed to cow the believer into submission.The carrot and stick of law are every bit about submission to that law. God's carrot and stick are no different.
Jörmungandr Wrote:... but rather a terroristic threat ...
No. Terrorism is "The unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." God is not a terrorist.
Jörmungandr Wrote:And that I have seen in my five years. It's the very foundation of Pascal's wager.
Pascal notwithstanding, it still fails to contravene our free will.
Jörmungandr Wrote:No matter how you try to minimize it, it still remains a powerful, behavior modifying threat to the believer.I minimize nothing. I merely point out that your logic is proven wrong on the very message board upon which you record your thoughts.
Jörmungandr Wrote:It's a form of duress, plain and simple.
No. That is not the definition of duress, as I have already pointed out.
The proof that the carrot and stick do not contravene free will is still in the pudding.
Regards,
Shadow_Man
