(May 23, 2016 at 11:33 am)Ignorant Wrote:(May 23, 2016 at 11:08 am)dyresand Wrote: Well i would put it like this i have homework i need to do so i do it out of necessity because i want a degree in game and simulation. Then the same can be asked for a god does god will necessity on anything and anyone.
Right. You need to do your homework for the sake of earning a degree in game and simulation. But you don't do your homework "of necessity" if there is a real possibility of not doing it. So the question is: Is it possible NOT to do your homework?
If so, then completing your homework is contingent. Given certain conditions, you will do your homework. Given different conditions, you might not do your homework. This means that, if you did your homework (AND YOU SHOULD! ), your doing it was a contingent action. That doesn't mean you did it freely, but we have more information with which to make a judgment about it.
So, does god will necessity on anything and anyone? He certainly does NOT will necessity on anyone. Instead, he wills contingency on EVERYONE.
Quote:Then for the other side of the question i wouldn't know what will happen if were to cross the street will or will i not get hit by a car it's a uncertainty. Things themselves will
and would have happen by chance.
Certainty is not contrary to contingency. I'm not sure we are understanding each other well.
If some event necessarily happens (as opposed to happening contingently), then there exists no set of conditions/circumstances which could alter its happening.
If some event happens contingently (as opposed to happening necessarily), then its happening in depends on a certain set of conditions/circumstances which may, or may not, be present.
IF you understanding an all-knowing god's determination of creation as an imposition of necessity, then, of course, free-will does not exist.
IF, however, you understand an all-knowing god's determination of creation as an imposition of contingency (which I think coincides with our experience), then free-will MAY exist. But until we get past that, there is no point in talking about free-will.
i do my homework because i want to do my homework and i have a goal. That being said i don't have to i put off my written assignments and do those later
because i can and because i have the option too.
That's the issue on both statements god is being all knowing a all knowing being does not allow for free will. There cannot be free will if there is a being that is all knowing
you just worded both statements differently
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