(May 26, 2016 at 7:09 pm)dom.donald Wrote: If everyone and everything in the universe behaves according to a deterministic set of rules, once the initial conditions of the system have been set, everything is (necessarily) pre-determined. If you introduce any kind of 'random-ness' into the rules, then things are no longer pre-determined. The question is, are all the rules deterministic? If they are not deterministic, then things aren't predetermined, but there is still no free will.
Why couldn't these rules have evolved naturally? Is there any true randomness in the universe? Whether or not things could turn out one way or another (e.g. rules may themselves evolve), I don't believe we have free will, and that it is just an illusion.
Thats the thing we have been arguing about if god supposedly knows everything there goes free will out of the window no question about it.
Ignorance has been saying we can have free will and god can know everything that is simply impossibly you can only have one of the other not both.
If things are predeterministic the future already exist and we are simply a consciousness living in the past going a long on a time line that already exists.
If there is that wild card of which you speak off yes it could exist and there is free will. So no the rules them selves wouldn't be deterministic if there is no free will
but probabilistic since there are so many choices.
The laws of the universe are probabilistic in nature and always will be. The more you look at the smaller and smaller bits of matter and quarks and tetraquark which
is the smallest thing the LHC found. And they will probably more than likely find smaller bits of particles as well. The other thing is light itself strange but interesting
it is both a wave and a particle in a deterministic universe such a thing would be improbable but since it is probabilistic such things can and will happen.
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