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Take some fucking responsibility!
RE: Take some fucking responsibility!
(June 9, 2016 at 4:37 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(June 9, 2016 at 4:35 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: We require children to be inoculated before they're admitted to schools, for the safety of the wider population. Do you also oppose that?
You seem to have missed the "As punishment" part, which is an important factor.  And you're honestly comparing vaccinating children to castrating rapists?  The health benefits of vaccinating kids are one of the most settled issues I can possibly think of.  Punishment of rapists by castration doesn't seem to serve as any sort of deterrent, and it's cruel and unusual punishment.

So forcibly making changes to someone's body is okay if it isn't punishment? At that point, we have to examine whether the role of justice is to reform or to remonstrate. I'd prefer reform. I don't know that that is possible with sex offenders. I'm certainily against physical castration, because it cannot be undone. I have to look into the long-term effects of chemical castration before I can lay out an informed opinion. I don't know that it would be cruel.

I wasn't comparing the two actions themselves, either, but rather digging at the principle of forcible changes. I'm surprised I have to spell that out.

Both forcible changes are for the health of society at large. Outside of moral stance (which is of course subjective), what differences are there?

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Take some fucking responsibility! - by The Valkyrie - June 8, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 8, 2016 at 8:28 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 8, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 8:36 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by The Valkyrie - June 8, 2016 at 11:08 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by J a c k - June 8, 2016 at 8:37 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Mermaid - June 8, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by LastPoet - June 9, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Mermaid - June 9, 2016 at 8:35 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by LastPoet - June 9, 2016 at 12:25 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by brewer - June 8, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Seraphina - June 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Mermaid - June 9, 2016 at 8:15 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Regina - June 9, 2016 at 12:52 am
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 9, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Brian37 - June 9, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by abaris - June 9, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by abaris - June 9, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 3:42 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by LastPoet - June 9, 2016 at 12:39 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 12:30 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 1:08 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 9, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Divinity - June 9, 2016 at 1:45 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 1:49 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 5:06 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by GUBU - June 10, 2016 at 10:05 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 5:27 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 5:27 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by abaris - June 9, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Thumpalumpacus - June 9, 2016 at 6:55 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by abaris - June 9, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:20 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by GUBU - June 10, 2016 at 10:11 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 9, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 9:07 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Gemini - June 9, 2016 at 9:23 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 9, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by LastPoet - June 10, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 10, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2016 at 6:01 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Gemini - June 10, 2016 at 7:20 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 10, 2016 at 9:39 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 10, 2016 at 9:36 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Mermaid - June 11, 2016 at 3:55 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Mermaid - June 11, 2016 at 6:58 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 7:21 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 7:18 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by IATIA - June 9, 2016 at 8:13 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 9:21 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 9, 2016 at 10:29 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by dyresand - June 9, 2016 at 11:56 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by The Valkyrie - June 10, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 10, 2016 at 12:06 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by dyresand - June 10, 2016 at 12:29 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by GUBU - June 10, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2016 at 5:57 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Thumpalumpacus - June 10, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 10, 2016 at 11:24 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 10, 2016 at 8:48 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 12:53 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 4:35 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 11, 2016 at 12:35 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 1:22 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by IATIA - June 11, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 7:18 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 11:26 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by rexbeccarox - June 12, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 12, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 12, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 13, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 14, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 12, 2016 at 8:08 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 12, 2016 at 9:06 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by dom.donald - June 12, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 12, 2016 at 10:10 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by dom.donald - June 13, 2016 at 12:08 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by dom.donald - June 13, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 13, 2016 at 11:09 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 26, 2016 at 3:43 pm
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