Evidence that God exists

[Kyuuketsuki]

@ Thoughtful: please tell me the point I'm missing. Kyu seems to be avoiding the question.

No I'm not and in fact your very next point ...

@ Demonaura: Thanks for stating that. Could you tell me what Kyu's point is please?

... to Demonaura confirms that (assuming you are being genuine & TBH I have my doubts) you don't even understand what my point was.

Kyu calling me a liar is a personal attack and not a comment on my statements.

And as I have admitted if it is untrue then yes it would be but the fact is that it is not and here's why:

I don't think you're engaging me at all Kyu. It seems entirely pointless to carry on with this yes you did, no you didn't interchange.

So your final stance is to lie about your opponent then chicken out of the "debate"? Wow! I'd expect no less!

Where did I lie about you Kyu?

QUOTE: I don't think you're engaging me at all Kyu. It seems entirely pointless to carry on with this yes you did, no you didn't interchange. Happy?

No. I shan't bother asking the question again.

So you accept that you're a liar then?

I have no idea what you're talking about Kyu. 'whoosh' as you'd say.

No. I answer your questions, you say I am not engaging your questions, I say you're lying, you ask me where I think you lied, I quote the relevant thing you said, you dodge the point, I ask if you accept you are a liar and you go whoosh! And you wonder why I say you're disingenuous? You know I'm beginning to think you're engaged on some kind of mission to get me to call you a moron just so you can point out that there's some kind on inequality because I don't get punished. If you want me to call you an idiot, I'll call you an idiot ... is that what you want?

I think it's quite obvious Kyu that I'm saying that the points you have made, in my opinion, don't address my points. You refuse to accept this and call me a liar?? I have no doubt that you could say what you like and flaunt the rules. This is pointless. Please lets leave this alone and move on.

And I think it self-evident that you are being disingenuous in claiming that I was not dealing with the points you made and the fact is that you did fail to answer points that I made. I very much doubt Adrian would keep me on as a moderator were I to behave in such a fashion (or indeed in the fashion that you do) ... at the very least I would be apologising to you. No. Please point out to me the points you claim I have not answered and I will review them and reply. As I said earlier, you wonder why I say you're disingenuous? I think I have justified that POV. TBBH if I was really that far off the mark on what is, let's face it, not very nice if the assertion is untrue I would have shot down in flames by other forum members AND would have been hauled across the coals by Adrian with predictable results. That that hasn't happened suggests a lot more about you than it does about me and ultimately, you can resolve this fairly easily by simply dealing with the points made.

Clearly from the above you claim that I was not engaging you, the previous and quoted conversation demonstrate that I was in fact engaging you whether you liked those answers or not, therefore despite all your ducking and diving since it is clear that you were in fact LYING ... and what do we call someone who lies? We call them a LIAR!!!

So, as I say above, if I am wrong to call you a liar then I absolutely deserve to be called out but the fact is that you were LYING. A casual reading of the above directly quoted material confirms that and my previous conversations with you demonstrate I was engaging so please stop playing the f##king martyr.

He flame baits and then cries foul if I don't bite. Balanced debate encourages opendiscussion. Ridicule doesn't. Kyu in his insistence on non tolerance and absolutist refusal to even consider anything outside his constructed argument does not present a willing opponent, but an immovable and dead idea. There's no point arguing with a rock, and that's how Kyu is presenting himself.

No, I don't flame bait ... I hound, it's part of my essential debate tactics. You say something I query it, you dodge, I bring you back to the point you didn't answer, you dive, I bring you back again ... I carry on those same tactics UNTIL SUCH POINT AS YOU ANSWER, YOU ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG OR ONE OF US GIVES UP.

Ultimately the truth is that the ONLY REASON I can do this is because my opponent provides me the opportunity to do so, in other words it is YOU that creates the situation, I simply respond. It really is that simple.

Kyu