RE: Best Qur'an?
July 13, 2016 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2016 at 3:32 pm by RozKek.)
(July 13, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:(July 13, 2016 at 2:11 pm)RozKek Wrote: Well, you can't take stuff from the Qur'an and say it's true without proving the Qur'an true. The Jesus virgin story etc etc aren't proven and they're irrelevant as of this discussion. But they're a good point of what miracles can be, so it might not be that irrelevant.
Well I'm not in the right mood to write essays and books so I'll answer more with links, also I'd still like your sources. The miracle of 19 seems like yet another mathematical coincidence/manipulation.Here you can see the manipulation of 19 being used against islam, did Allah set them up too? Or are they simply just coincidences?
How do you know it has never been changed, how do you demonstrate that? Please use valid non biased sources.
How do you know God allows it to happen? Unsupported claim, all of it is happening without a God, and there are explanations for them. Go ahead and google up "Why can't we feel the earth moving?" Spoiler alertScience explains everything better than a God. God doesn't even explain.
Your golden ratio link is biased. It's made my religious people, they're quoting the bible, it is not scientific at all. I mean come on, the video I linked the guy goes into fucking google maps and searches the golden ratio so you can see for yourself... And I don't think you know what scientific is.
Why do you only count Yaum in its singular form? You're manipulating the data so it works in your favor.
Actually without mountains there would be no plate tectonics and that means there would be no earthquakes at all.
And if mountains were magically removed in an instant worldwide earthquakes would be caused, but for that to happen mountains must've existed at first, so the cause of the earthquakes would have mountains involved.
So, Allah could've not created mountains and there would be no earthquakes at all. But he decided to create mountains to protect against earthquakes that wouldn't exist if mountains (plate tectonics) didn't exist?
Regarding embryology I'll just send you links debunking them. Also, the Qur'an is very very vague, many words have several meanings and can easily be manipulated in order to go hand in hand with science and such.
Also, foetuses from misscarriages could be studied, just a heads up. And Al-alaq is a name for a surah and it doesn't mean leech like clot according to Wikipedia it can mean the following:
The Clinging Form, The Clinging-Clot, The Clot, The Germ-CellBasically what was meant was that it was clinging, like a leech etc, not that it was a leech. And what I say is meant by leech is supported because the Qur'an describes it as a clinging clot (like the ancient greeks did) and what is clinging? A leech is. So it most likely wasn't meant to describe the embryology itself but "what" it does.
Lastly, you know when in translations there are parathensis (with words in them), they words in them can freely be added by muslims to clarify what they mean, and in doing so they can and I've seen them do put a word in there to clarify what is meant by a word but in some instances that is actually not what is meant by the word, so translations can be easily manipulated and the arabic version is vague.
Well of all the info I've given u u still seem to deny it as true. That is fine. There is no compulsion in Religion as stated in the Qur'an. It is not in my power or will to guide u to accept Islam as ur religion. I only give u the true signs about it which show why I have increased faith that it is the word of God Allah. So as we are told to say to those who disbelieve. "To you be your way of belief and to me be my way of belief". Good luck to u my friend
You've given me the info and I've debunked/shown all of it wrong, what's the problem here? If you're going to deny that I've debunked them, which I have then you're the ignorant one here. I've met your claims one by one, providing you many many sources that you can check for yourself yet I'm the ignorant one. You've provided so called miracles and I've explained all of them to you without the need of god and even showed some wrong, and the Qur'an can't be wrong if it really is the word of god. E.g the mountains and earthquakes were wrong and nonsensical.
However, it is your decision, you do you, I do me. But if you really want to learn something you'll read this through and make up your mind after researching instead of believing what a site tells you. I was also a muslim two years ago, the difference between me and you is I researched everything I read, I didn't believe everything that worked in my favor and supported Islam, that's how I ended up as an atheist. I encourage you do the same.
