(August 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(August 10, 2016 at 10:25 am)SteveII Wrote: Just think? Why not objectively better off? Psychologically and sociologically well-being is important--actually the most important measure of a person's "better off-ness".You are making stuff up. Demonstrate that any of this is true.
Islam is not comparable to Christianity in this way. Islam is significantly more about following rules and formulas and not about a "changed person" as a result of salvation and a relationship with God. The god of Islam is not about grace, love, forgiveness, compassion and relationships with people.
Quote:In addition to my points above, I think Christianity has superior life-changing attributes over other religions. But even if other religions had similar effects on its converts, that does not make them all right or all wrong. You would have to examine the truth claims of each.How have you examined the truth claims of the Bible?
Quote:Why does an advantage have to be explained by 'something other than social/psychological benefits'? Why isn't a person's experience with and relationship with God real evidence of God's grace and compassion (something he is doing for his followers)--especially when the experiment has been done billions of times? Someone who has not experienced this can not judge it and especially cannot claim that it is not God's reward to his followers.The experiment has not been done "billions of times," unless the experiment is to see how many people you can get to believe in a fairy tale without making you provide them evidence.
Quote:For your point to be true, you would have to be able to develop the same effect in a person without religion. How does one get a person's nature to change from whatever state they were in before to one of "...love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control" as well as hope? If you can't generate that change with regularity with something non-religious, then how can you really determine whether it is real or not? If you cannot determine whether it is real, you cannot make the claim that God is not working in the lives of his followers.Have you actually met any Christians? This sounds a lot like things Christians say, and not a lot like things Christians actually adopt.
What stuff am I supposedly making up? Why psychological and sociological well-being is extremely important or what Islam teaches? The first link when I searched for "salvation in islam and christianity' is here (know absolutely nothing about the website but the guy compared the two nicely).
I have examined the truth claims of the Bible. Also, Judaism, Islam, Mormonism, JW, and a little Hinduism. What is your point?
Billions of people have entered into a relationship with God. Their experience/testimony would be empirical evidence for everything we are discussing.
I have met Christians. Many do not model Christ very well. Many do. Your point?
If your point is there is no proof for God, I obviously would disagree. Among other things, why isn't someone's experience proof for the existence of God?