(August 16, 2016 at 11:59 am)SteveII Wrote:(August 16, 2016 at 11:37 am)bennyboy Wrote: Correction-- the only way to defeat this position is to be disinterested in it and to find something else to do. The world of ideas isn't divided into God/not-God. It's divided into JHVW, Thor, Zeus, Buddha, Krsna, atheism, and indifference. If you don't want to assert something, then you are using a suspiciously large amount of words to do so. If you want to assert something based on your intuition, then you have the BOP of demonstrating that your intuition is somehow more valid than that of literally hundreds of different intuitions.
See, that's the problem with intuitions-- they aren't shared in a common objective framework. So unless you can find a way to share yours with me, then however much you value the experiences which you attribute to God, that God idea will remain irrelevant in my framework.
Sounds like WLC to me.
Anyway, if a belief in God were properly basic, as I understand you to mean it, young children would have an unnamed belief in God, and would instantly recognize the thing when it was described to them. This is not the case. It is more the case that people of different cultures have various religious beliefs, which are not coincidentally those of those parents, but that as adults, they cannot recognize that their ideas represent cultural learning.
Here's the thing that for me sinks you entirely-- you have a nearly impossible 2-step process: 1) claim that your intuitions and feelings represent knowledge of reality; 2) demonstrate that the intuitions and feelings of dozens of other cultures and thousands of subcultures do NOT represent knowledge of reality. That you will achieve that second step seems highly unlikely to anyone who isn't already a Christian.
It's actually Plantinga.
This is not specific to Christianity. One cannot know vast amount of details intuitively (properly basic). The fact that different cultures flesh out the intuition differently does not undermine the basic premise. Both the intuition and the details can be defeated simply by showing they are false.
Reformed epistemology IS specific to Christianity though...so like Crossless was saying, how do you intend to bridge that gap between specific Christian beliefs and all other religious beliefs?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
